What Is Transgender? Have we gotten it wrong?

[Betelgeuse]

Eunuch crossdressing priests were present in Sumeria, Babylon, Phrygia, and then the pre-christian Roman Empire too when Phrygian religion was incorporated into the pantheon. If you want to find historical records of people like this, they tend to appear during times and places with an abundance of resources. Resource abundance creates surplus people, which decreases the constant need for procreation in order to maintain civilization, which thereby weakens the incentive to enforce strict gender roles. That is at least part of the puzzle.

Eunuchs are not transgender. Most of them were castrated by force either so that they could guard a harem or so that they wouldn't lose their singing voice. Getting your cock cut off for religious reasons so that you could be a priest does not mean that you thought you were a woman, it just means that priests in ancient times removed the temptation when they took a vow of celibacy.

Just because you got your pecker snipped off against your will doesn't make you a trans icon.

 

[redoniblueoni]

Give me proof older than 30 years. I want a reference from a document or website before the year 2000. Something that hasn't been corrupted by the woke generation trying to rewrite history.

Because I've got to tell you that's unbelievable.

And by that I mean I don't fucking believe you. A lot of people get it twisted because there were faggots in Native tribes among other places and the wording got fucked up. History has no records of chicks with dicks.

Yes, this is mostly accurate. The myth trans people of any modern semblance to today have existed in other cultures for 100s of years is an increasingly common sentiment but one that is not rooted in truth.

The reality is the "trans people" of yesteryear are usually eunuchs who cut it off for religious reasons, women who cross dressed for employment reasons, and men who were feminine/gay and who they could cast into a separate determined "faggot" role and give them less masculine duties. They perpetuate this myth to lump trans people in with the gay people "born this way, always existed in history" crowd which is false when it comes to modern day trannies. Especially considering most modern day trans identified men are autogynephiles, men like modern day trannies probably wouldn't have even been placed in the "faggot" social role and simply had to buck up, work, and have kids. Only in the past 100ish years did men like this ever take their fetish into something more, and now they run the trans movement. People like @Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt eat it up and push their cause, making it very useful to push the false "born this way" narrative, despite the inaccuracies.

 

[Squishie]

Eunuchs are not transgender. Most of them were castrated by force either so that they could guard a harem or so that they wouldn't lose their singing voice. Getting your cock cut off for religious reasons so that you could be a priest does not mean that you thought you were a woman, it just means that priests in ancient times removed the temptation when they took a vow of celibacy.

Just because you got your pecker snipped off against your will doesn't make you a trans icon.

What you said certainly applies to Catholic and Chinese eunuchs for example, but the ones I am talking about are completely different in the fact that they intentionally disregarded gender norms as part of their practices. I know that they aren't technically "transgender" by today's standards, but they are similar enough that it could provide insight into the cult-like nature of the modern phenomenon.

 

[Betelgeuse]

Yes, this is mostly accurate. The myth trans people of any modern semblance to today have existed in other cultures for 100s of years is an increasingly common sentiment but one that is not rooted in truth.

The reality is the "trans people" of yesteryear are usually eunuchs who cut it off for religious reasons, women who cross dressed for employment reasons, and men who were feminine/gay and who they could cast into a separate determined "faggot" role and give them less masculine duties. They perpetuate this myth to lump trans people in with the gay people "born this way, always existed in history" crowd which is false when it comes to modern day trannies. Especially considering most modern day trans identified men are autogynephiles, men like modern day trannies probably wouldn't have even been placed in the "faggot" social role and simply had to buck up, work, and have kids. Only in the past 100ish years did men like this ever take their fetish into something more, and now they run the trans movement. People like @Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt eat it up and push their cause, making it very useful to push the false "born this way" narrative, despite the inaccuracies.

Abso fucking lutely.

It's just ladyboy revisionist history. Nothing more. It's the same as "All ancient Egyptians were Ns" or "Slavery was the only reason the civil war happened", etc.

I can't fucking STAND when people pervert history to fit their stupid narrative.

 

[Betelgeuse]

I know that they aren't technically "transgender" by today's standards

/Debate

 

[redoniblueoni]

Abso fucking lutely.

It's just ladyboy revisionist history. Nothing more. It's the same as "All ancient Egyptians were Ns" or "Slavery was the only reason the civil war happened", etc.

I can't fucking STAND when people pervert history to fit their stupid narrative.

Right or "democrats were the party that ended slavery". It's all to push a narrative and make you believe something that isn't true.

So to recap gay people have always existed and there's strong evidence they are "born this way". Trannies do not have this, so they manufacture a false history where this could be the case. Trannies lie every day about their entire being, should we be surprised they try to lie about history as well?

What you said certainly applies to Catholic and Chinese eunuchs for example, but the ones I am talking about are completely different in the fact that they intentionally disregarded gender norms as part of their practices. I know that they aren't technically "transgender" by today's standards, but they are similar enough that it could provide insight into the cult-like nature of the modern phenomenon.

Also this brings up good things to think about like why the transing and playing around with gender only happens in more affluent nations in the modern day. It is a fact 80+% (I believe I read 84% a few years ago) of modern trans identified men are white. What causes poc people to be averse to transitioning as much? I think it's because on Maslows hierarchy of needs, transitioning for a fetish/personal interest/cult mentality is so far removed from an actual need it doesnt even register on his scale. POC people are more likely to be economically challenged and thus have more important things to worry about. Again, not "born this way".

 

[Betelgeuse]

Right or "democrats were the party that ended slavery". It's all to push a narrative and make you believe something that isn't true.

Even though it was a mere 170 years ago that the Republican party was founded to END SLAVERY

So to recap gay people have always existed and there's strong evidence they are "born this way".

No argument there.

Trannies do not have this, so they manufacture a false history where this could be the case. Trannies lie every day about their entire being, should we be surprised they try to lie about history as well?

Absolutely. They need to INSERT themselves into history so that they feel less like what they truly are: mentally ill freaks who don't belong.

Also this brings up good things to think about like why the transing and playing around with gender only happens in more affluent nations in the modern day. It is a fact 80+% (I believe I read 84% a few years ago) of modern trans identified men are white.

First world white people problems yo.

What causes poc people to be averse to transitioning as much? I think it's because on Maslows hierarchy of needs, transitioning for a fetish/personal interest/cult mentality is so far removed from an actual need it doesnt even register on his scale. POC people are more likely to be economically challenged and thus have more important things to worry about. Again, not "born this way".

More like "bored this way"

 

[Lin Kuei Assassin]

You're either a male or a female as determined by genetics. You either have a y chromosome or you don't. Hermaphrodites make up less than 1% of the global population and only one set of genitals are externally apparent. Most hermaphrodites discover they are hermaphrodites when they show up at the doctor with severe blood loss. Usually a malformed set of female genitals is discovered hidden in the body through extensive testing. These genitals are mostly non functional but they will emit period blood causing blood loss. 100% of the time these malformed genitals are removed because not doing so would be fatal.
You cannot change your biological sex by mutilating your genitals and taking synthetic hormones. Biological males will always be easily distinguishable from biological females if only by sheer size and proportions alone. Hence the reason the kiwi court tranny was so quickly outed. It is patently obvious, even from a grainy photo, who is male and who isn't.
Gender is a bunch of pseudo intellectual bullshit which is why nobody who believes in gender theory can agree on what gender is. They always give some completely ambiguous definition that is so vague it's effectively meaningless.

 

[Crimson Fucker]

"No native tribe ever had trannies": Mukhaanthum ( transgendered individuals) were documented in pre-islamic arabia and in hadith by Muhammad himself.

No they were not and Muslims would be pissed at you for saying this. That is literally the revisionism everyone here is saying is fake. They made little boys wear dresses and raped them. Also claiming that is transgender is certainly not helping the transgender movement.

 

[Crimson Fucker]

Eunuch crossdressing priests were present in Sumeria, Babylon, Phrygia, and then the pre-christian Roman Empire too when Phrygian religion was incorporated into the pantheon. If you want to find historical records of people like this, they tend to appear during times and places with an abundance of resources. Resource abundance creates surplus people, which decreases the constant need for procreation in order to maintain civilization, which thereby weakens the incentive to enforce strict gender roles. That is at least part of the puzzle.

Not transgender those are just sexually abused boys. Not the pro tranny own you think it is. That's like worshipping John money even though he did a human experiment on a boy with a botched circumcision and forced him to have sex with his brother to force him to be a girl and they both killed themselves. Which actually unironically does give a perfect example of what the transgender movement is but not in the way they hoped. Holy shit dude try again.

 

[Cat Administrator]

Sorry I'll rephrase the majority of ancient Egyptians, especially the ones that came later on that were of status we're not Ns.



The only people who kept better records than the Nazis were the Roman empire and they themselves said that Cleopatra was a mix of Macedonian which is Greek, and Persian.

It does make a difference when the Ns are trying to co-opt and usurp the final pharaoh of Egypt for their own WE WUZ KAAANGZ delusion.



Give me proof older than 30 years. I want a reference from a document or website before the year 2000. Something that hasn't been corrupted by the woke generation trying to rewrite history.

Because I've got to tell you that's unbelievable.

And by that I mean I don't fucking believe you. A lot of people get it twisted because there were faggots in Native tribes among other places and the wording got fucked up. History has no records of chicks with dicks.

https://encyclopedia.pub/entry/33178

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukha... (,characteristics, who appeared feminine and

 

[Betelgeuse]

https://encyclopedia.pub/entry/33178

You literally linked me to an article that described the Arabic word for effeminate bottoms. You proved that there were swish gay guys back in the day, not transgender people.

Try again, Ken.

 

[Crimson Fucker]

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[Cat Administrator]

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You literally linked me to an article that described the Arabic word for effeminate bottoms. You proved that there were swish gay guys back in the day, not transgender people.

Try again, Ken.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukha... (,characteristics, who appeared feminine and

 

[Betelgeuse]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhannath#:~:text=Mukhannath (مُخَنَّث; plural mukhannathun (,characteristics, who appeared feminine and

Effeminate bottoms who act like women. Old news.

My N, we've been over this. That's not what I require proof of. I want proof of trannies in ancient history, not an effeminate swish bottom who bucked traditional gender roles.

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[Crimson Fucker]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhannath#:~:text=Mukhannath (مُخَنَّث; plural mukhannathun (,characteristics, who appeared feminine and

Keyword here being "appeared". You can slap a Ferrari frame on a Honda and it can appear like a Ferrari but try and race one and see what happens. It will never be a Ferrari like they will never be a woman.

 

[Betelgeuse]

Keyword here being "appeared". You can slap a Ferrari frame on a Honda and it can appear like a Ferrari but try and race one and see what happens. It will never be a Ferrari like they will never be a woman.

I can call an effeminate faggot every Arabic name in the book for a woman, that don't make her a tranny.

 

[Crimson Fucker]

Give a tranny a gynecology exam and watch him literally die from blood loss when the doctor forces his perpetually open flesh wound to tear open more with a speculum.

 

[WrigleysNotThatExtra]

Here is my theory: I believe that we are all born with two genders:
1: A dominant gender which is your sex (male or female)
2: A recessive gender which is your brain gender.

Yes research has been done which is pointing to evidence that transgender is physical. Transgender brains are not the same as CIS brains. The difference is with people who are transgender compared to people who are CIS, not people who are gay or lesbian.

Can you be born that way? There is vigorous debate on the microplastics and the impact they have on hormones produced by the endocrine system. Does this explain why are there so many people coming out as transgender? I don't think it is any one particular cause but microplastics may be playing a very big part in this

https://www.google.com/search?q=mic...CDc2MDdqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

So what is transgender: According to my theory, it is a misalignment of your dominant and your recessive gender. A transgendered female for example is someone whose dominant gender is male but whose recessive gender is female. Is gender a social construct? I don't believe this. The differences between male and female are hardwired in the brain. Even among male and female babies there are differences. You can't tell someone who is genuinely transgender to "snap out of it" and you certainly can't tell someone to pray it away. I haven't even mentioned the subject of Intersex individuals. That adds a whole other layer of complexity.

If you are born like this through circumstances totally beyond your control, it simply is what it is. And here is the ironic part, you can accept it as biological with two genders but it does not necessarily it's cut and dry (male or female).

Ken isn't necessarily wrong in my opinion, of course it all boils down to personal belief.

Like because social and twitter arguments are lame, its interesting to look at in detail.
Theres parts in the subcortical region of the brain that are responsible for things like memory, emotion but most importantly in this case hormone production.
Out of the journals and studies I've read on the neurobiology of transgenderism, the brains of transgender folk most commonly differ from cisgender individuals in this region in volume and surface area. Ken mentioned a recessive gender that acts as your "brain gender" which may actually be correct as the subcortical region and white matter structure tends to be more in line with their percieved gender rather than their "at birth"gender.

Theres also similar differences between the cis-woman and cis-mans brain in the cortical and subcortical regions in brain volume and other structures.

Its interesting tbh.

 

[Squishie]

ITT: autistic hair-splitting