Lounge96 - Prominent Individual Hello, I am Ashley Hutsell Jankowski

[rexymeteorite]

Me? No. I generally respect the way people want to live. I’ll respect peoples pronouns and whatnot, just because it’s not worth pissing people off. If a person wants to change their gender and has the capacity to form consent — zero problems here. It has no impact on my life.

I think the issue starts when minors are involved, and that’s specifically because they legally cannot form said consent. They can’t conceptualize the risks and benefits of their potential life altering decision. That’s why I draw the line at people doing an end run around the medical establishment and handing out bathtub hormones.

The sports argument I don’t really care too much about and I don’t understand the science so I can’t form an educated opinion.

When people say that transpeople are pedos or groomers, I see that as a baseless generalization. Plenty of cis, straight people groom kids every day and they do it without being the opposite gender they were born as.

I grew up around the LGBT community and they were all normal people. I remember my mom bitching one time that the freaks get most of the airtime and normal gay people like her don’t get nearly enough. I suspect this is the same for trans. The freaks get the cameras and the regular people just trying to live their lives get the stigma.

 

[Ashley Hutsell JankowskiAshley Hutsell Jankowski is verified member.]

Me? No. I generally respect the way people want to live. I’ll respect peoples pronouns and whatnot, just because it’s not worth pissing people off. If a person wants to change their gender and has the capacity to form consent — zero problems here. It has no impact on my life.

I think the issue starts when minors are involved, and that’s specifically because they legally cannot form said consent. They can’t conceptualize the risks and benefits of their potential life altering decision. That’s why I draw the line at people doing an end run around the medical establishment and handing out bathtub hormones.

Oh okay so you're one of these guys

How would you have felt if when you were going through puberty you started growing breasts?

 

[Ashley Hutsell JankowskiAshley Hutsell Jankowski is verified member.]

You wake up one week when you're 12 and you've got like A cup boobs. Would that have been extremely distressing for you?

 

[rexymeteorite]

Puberty is a distressing time for everyone, cis and trans alike. Doesn’t change the fact that children cannot give consent, and probably should be given time for brain development before starting the journey to making such a huge and potentially life altering decision. They should especially be given time, space and proper context to understand the risks and benefits of HRT and SRS, including the very real stigma that transpeople face in society, the mental health struggles and potential alienation from family and friends. It’s terrible but it’s the truth about being trans.

This decision shouldn’t be made lightly or at the persuasion of others. When someone is a child there is just too much risk of 1) not understanding what they are doing or 2) doing what they are doing under the influence of an adult. Both of these things are unacceptable when talking about medically transitioning genders.

 

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Puberty is a distressing time for everyone, cis and trans alike. Doesn’t change the fact that children cannot give consent, and probably should be given time for brain development before starting the journey to making such a huge and potentially life altering decision. They should especially be given time, space and proper context to understand the risks and benefits of HRT and SRS, including the very real stigma that transpeople face in society, the mental health struggles and potential alienation from family and friends. It’s terrible but it’s the truth about being trans.

This decision shouldn’t be made lightly or at the persuasion of others. When someone is a child there is just too much risk of 1) not understanding what they are doing or 2) doing what they are doing under the influence of an adult. Both of these things are unacceptable when talking about medically transitioning genders.

So why do you think the medical community is unified in their opinion that trans kids should be receiving gender reassignment care as soon as they realize they are trans? I want the guy who wrote Zybourne clock to explain to me why the medical and scientific community are assisting in this if you've figured out an alternative explanation contrary to theirs. What is their reason?

 

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Also so we're clear: if you had grown female breasts as a teenager you should not have been allowed to have them surgically removed? You would see their removal as a consent issue, and since you are underage you'd be forced to keep them until age 18.

 

[rexymeteorite]

ya know I have gotten two degrees since I wrote that stupid thing.

And I have been around academia long enough to know that academic communities are rarely unified around anything, including something as divisive as gender affirming care for minors.

Although if you’d like you can show your work on this supposed unification of the entire medical community. Perhaps there is a meta analysis of studies you can link me to that shows this?

 

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ya know I have gotten two degrees since I wrote that stupid thing.

And I have been around academia long enough to know that academic communities are rarely unified around anything, including something as divisive as gender affirming care for minors.

Although if you’d like you can show your work on this supposed unification of the entire medical community. Perhaps there is a meta analysis of studies you can link me to that shows this?

AMA reinforces opposition to restrictions on transgender medical care

Move comes as states consider denying children recommended medical care.

www.ama-assn.org

 

[rexymeteorite]

That’s an AMA press release. Not exactly peer reviewed. But I accept that gender affirming care when under the supervision of medical professionals and parents is fine. My specific problem is when shady people online are pushing pharmaceuticals made at home, and weirdos online are pushing the transition instead of it being an organic feeling.

The medical community is still grappling with the ethics of youth transitioning and agency as seen in this review of articles in Pediatrics (a peer reviewed journal about the medical care of children)

Link: https://publications.aap.org/pediat...cal-Issues-in-Gender-Affirming-Care-for-Youth

Operative paragraph

“ Medical and psychosocial care designed to affirm individuals’ gender identities has been demonstrated to mitigate many of the negative effects of gender dysphoria, or the distress that frequently accompanies a discrepancy between one’s assigned gender at birth and one’s gender identity. Such care appears to satisfy the principles of beneficence (the obligation to provide benefit to patients) and nonmaleficence (the avoidance of unnecessary harm). Indeed, emerging evidence suggests that a lack of access to appropriate gender-affirming care may lead to TGNC youth being at greater risk of harm, including violence, sexually transmitted infections (such as HIV), depression, anxiety, and suicide.4,–7 Moreover, TGNC individuals are subject to profound and pervasive social stigma, which likely contributes to poor psychosocial functioning and the adverse psychological outcomes experienced by those who are unable to access gender-affirming care.8 At the same time, because of its relative novelty and a lack of research into practices and outcomes, gender-affirming care raises risks that have yet to be fully understood and evaluated. This has implications for autonomy (a comprehensive understanding of all risks and benefits and the ability to decide freely) because patients and families sometimes must make decisions based on limited or low-quality information.”

Highlights: - the mental health benefits of early gender affirming care are well documented
- psychological treatment also substantially relieves the symptoms of gender dysphoria in youth suffering with it
- the ethics of early transition are still in question because it’s novelty raises the chances of unknown medical risks.
- you’ll notice that the authors of this study include a social worker, several PhD level psychologists and multiple MDs, which mirrors a theoretical multi-disciplinary team that would assist a trans person with their transition.

 

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[Ashley Hutsell JankowskiAshley Hutsell Jankowski is verified member.]

That’s an AMA press release. Not exactly peer reviewed. But I accept that gender affirming care when under the supervision of medical professionals and parents is fine. My specific problem is when shady people online are pushing pharmaceuticals made at home, and weirdos online are pushing the transition instead of it being an organic feeling.

The medical community is still grappling with the ethics of youth transitioning and agency as seen in this review of articles in Pediatrics (a peer reviewed journal about the medical care of children)

Link: https://publications.aap.org/pediat...cal-Issues-in-Gender-Affirming-Care-for-Youth

Operative paragraph

“ Medical and psychosocial care designed to affirm individuals’ gender identities has been demonstrated to mitigate many of the negative effects of gender dysphoria, or the distress that frequently accompanies a discrepancy between one’s assigned gender at birth and one’s gender identity. Such care appears to satisfy the principles of beneficence (the obligation to provide benefit to patients) and nonmaleficence (the avoidance of unnecessary harm). Indeed, emerging evidence suggests that a lack of access to appropriate gender-affirming care may lead to TGNC youth being at greater risk of harm, including violence, sexually transmitted infections (such as HIV), depression, anxiety, and suicide.4,–7 Moreover, TGNC individuals are subject to profound and pervasive social stigma, which likely contributes to poor psychosocial functioning and the adverse psychological outcomes experienced by those who are unable to access gender-affirming care.8 At the same time, because of its relative novelty and a lack of research into practices and outcomes, gender-affirming care raises risks that have yet to be fully understood and evaluated. This has implications for autonomy (a comprehensive understanding of all risks and benefits and the ability to decide freely) because patients and families sometimes must make decisions based on limited or low-quality information.”

Highlights: - the mental health benefits of early gender affirming care are well documented
- psychological treatment also substantially relieves the symptoms of gender dysphoria in youth suffering with it
- the ethics of early transition are still in question because it’s novelty raises the chances of unknown medical risks.
- you’ll notice that the authors of this study include a social worker, several PhD level psychologists and multiple MDs, which mirrors a theoretical multi-disciplinary team that would assist a trans person with their transition.

The guy who wrote Zybourne Clock is a Kiwi farmer who thinks he's smarter than the AMA and every other global health org that has the same conclusion lmao

 

[rexymeteorite]

No I just know how to parse sources. Something you clearly never learned.

Just so you know….article in peer reviewed journal > press release as far as evidentiary value is concerned.

And again, I got an education after I wrote that schlock.

 

[AshleyHutsell'sDemonVag]

No I just know how to parse sources. Something you clearly never learned.

Don't say this to her, she got a college degree.

 

[El Santo?]

And her husband got a High School diploma or the general education equivalent. They're a real brain trust. That's why he's a career unarmed security drone and she delivers fast food.

 

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And her husband got a High School diploma or the general education equivalent. They're a real brain trust. That's why he's a career unarmed security drone and she delivers fast food.

Andrew acknowledges you and the other swine bullied Marshall to the point of suicide. I mean, of course you did, you made up a bunch of horrific shit about how he was molesting kids and had murdered his infant and wouldn't shut up about it for over a year.

https://sneed.today/threads/andrew-peter-carlson-anaiah-carlson-tamarlover-xtamarlover.29566/page-391#post-16449117

 

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You can tell Karl doesn't really believe in all the Christian shit he pretends to care about considering the implications of this don't faze him at all.

 

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Every time I read some post from AnOminous it becomes clear that guy is a feral animal that has to be living in a group home situation. I've never seen anyone so devoted to doing everything he can to make random internet peoples' lives he fixates on miserable to the absolute maximum. I mean it's been a year since she even showed up on the forum and he's still talking about Melinda and jacking off about of her husband's suicide. The only one on the board who even comes close to that pathological level of no-life having psychopathic obsession is Karl.

 

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Also the douche chilling horror of some incel referring to himself as a "Mel historian" ugh

 

[AshleyHutsell'sDemonVag]

This bitch is so obsessed with Karl that the moment she saw him again she immediately went and made another account. What a sad life.

 

[AshleyHutsell'sDemonVag]

She's like a trained animal.