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Why Josh is a fucking PR nightmare #8745648576

You just pretty much insulted a good chunk of your userbase with that last sentence. The CORRECT way of saying it would be "Click Here to learn how to use a password manager".

But no, keep insulting your tech-illiterate users rather than teach them. That totally isn't making the whole "tech people are pricks" stereotype worse and is totally not going to make you come off like a fucking sped.

EDIT: Speaking of speds, i am one for posting this here instead of the Josh thread, mods please move to appropriate thread, thank you
 
Celebrate Nite said:
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Why Josh is a fucking PR nightmare #8745648576

You just pretty much insulted a good chunk of your userbase with that last sentence. The CORRECT way of saying it would be "Click Here to learn how to use a password manager".

But no, keep insulting your tech-illiterate users rather than teach them. That totally isn't making the whole "tech people are pricks" stereotype worse and is totally not going to make you come off like a fucking sped.

EDIT: Speaking of speds, i am one for posting this here instead of the Josh thread, mods please move to appropriate thread, thank you
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Cult members thrive on abuse due to a combination of vulnerability and manipulation. Leaders exploit unresolved trauma and offer a false sense of security, eroding autonomy and critical thinking, making members susceptible to control.
 
Celebrate Nite said:
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Why Josh is a fucking PR nightmare #8745648576

You just pretty much insulted a good chunk of your userbase with that last sentence. The CORRECT way of saying it would be "Click Here to learn how to use a password manager".

But no, keep insulting your tech-illiterate users rather than teach them. That totally isn't making the whole "tech people are pricks" stereotype worse and is totally not going to make you come off like a fucking sped.

EDIT: Speaking of speds, i am one for posting this here instead of the Josh thread, mods please move to appropriate thread, thank you
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Imagine using password managers that are vulnerable to being breached/hacked (no matter how safe they claim to be) and not writing your passwords in a notebook with no indicators of which one belongs to what site, so you have to remember or guess them. Paperchads rise up 😎
 
kiwifails said:
Nothing you have said disputes anything I have said you've simply picked apart the wording and then diverted the conversation back to your original point.

Worse you're willfully ignoring everything I said and then trying to twist it into your own logic.
If and when you're able to actually come up with a response to what I said then let me know
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Because you're arguing like a BPHag and moralizing about something to justify your dislike of something. An adult female with a following of adult males can never be equated to pedophilia because none of the people involved in this are minors. If Pokimane or whoever else are the top female streamers right now did a high pitched anime voice on stream, it would not be pandering to pedophiles. If they put on an outfit associated while minors while doing the same, it would not be pedophilia because the people involved are above the age of consent. Twitch and YouTube require ID verification for paying out anything so they're legally of age.

Gross furries putting on diapers and shitting themselves like a baby as the resident furries do means they should be lit on fire in their fursuits but it's still not pedophilic because again, the people engaging in it are all of age. This isn't saying that a vtuber can't be a pedophile because that would involve something other than their persona, like "cranking it to nekoshota" like Null. Or just outright involved with minors in their fan base.

It's just sad and pathetic that people watch streamers out of lust or desperation to begin with. That's all that's needed to ridicule it. You don't have to invent moral outrage to justify your ridicule. It's perfectly okay to just make fun of shit. But the same crusades that took over tumblr then twitter and now KF is equating everything they don't like with pedophilia because it's the easiest thing to dunk on. You're just being obtuse because you want a reason to be mad at it instead of just laughing at how sad it. This is the same as every KF thread that is now nothing but the same holier-than-thou while posting in the thread for twelve hours a day about it.

All of this is just a tl;dr of:
The Washington Ogre said:
We don't have to pretend it's some great evil.
You can just not like something. This isn't KF where you must convince yourself that everything and everyone you don't like is pedophilia.
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The Washington Ogre said:
Retardation
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I think you're completely missing the point here. The issue with VTubers catering to lolicon isn't about adult women using high-pitched voices or wearing certain outfits. It's about the fact that they're creating content that fetishizes children. You can't just hand-wave this away by saying it's "sad and pathetic" that people watch streamers for lust or desperation.

Your argument that it's not pedophilic because the streamers and their audience are adults is a red herring. The issue isn't about the age of the people involved, it's about the content itself. Lolicon is a specific genre that has a very clear and disturbing theme.

You're trying to deflect criticism of VTubers by comparing them to other forms of adult entertainment, but that's not a valid comparison. The issue is that VTubers are creating content that's explicitly designed to appeal to people who are attracted to children.

I'm not asking you to agree with me, but I am pointing out that your argument is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue.
You're focusing on the wrong thing. The issue is with the fact that VTubers are creating content that's designed to appeal to people who are attracted to children.
 
kiwifails said:
It's about the fact that they're creating content that fetishizes children.
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This is no different than a woman in a schoolgirl outfit who is fetishizing a high school or younger girl. They're explicitly invoking the image of an underage woman in this scenario. You're blurring the lines between fiction and reality to get to this point. The people watching are aware it's an adult they're watching no matter what fantastical elements being presented by the streamer's cartoon model. The cartoon is also not a 500 year old dragon either or whatever anime excuse there is. Attraction to an of-age female is not pedophilic no matter how you want to frame it, otherwise we're back to the height or bust of consent argument.

This has derailed a thread and I won't reply further.
 
The Washington Ogre said:
Retard
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"I think you're completely missing the point here. The issue with VTubers catering to lolicon isn't about adult women using high-pitched voices or wearing certain outfits. It's about the fact that they're creating content that fetishizes children. You can't just hand-wave this away by saying it's "sad and pathetic" that people watch streamers for lust or desperation.

Your argument that it's not pedophilic because the streamers and their audience are adults is a red herring. The issue isn't about the age of the people involved, it's about the content itself. Lolicon is a specific genre that has a very clear and disturbing theme.

You're trying to deflect criticism of VTubers by comparing them to other forms of adult entertainment, but that's not a valid comparison. The issue is that VTubers are creating content that's explicitly designed to appeal to people who are attracted to children.

I'm not asking you to agree with me, but I am pointing out that your argument is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue. You're focusing on the wrong thing. The issue is with the fact that VTubers are creating content that's designed to appeal to people who are attracted to children.
 
The Washington Ogre said:
This is no different than a woman in a schoolgirl outfit who is fetishizing a high school or younger girl.
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I've already explained the difference you're willfully ignoring it
The Washington Ogre said:
They're explicitly invoking the image of an underage woman in this scenario
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I know you're being willfully stupid however a woman wearing a schoolgirl outfit it's still a grown woman wearing a schoolgirl outfit that's not the same as creating a child like Avatar and pretending to be a child so you can attract pedophiles specifically
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You're blurring the lines between fiction and reality to get to this point.
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No I'm really not
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The people watching are aware it's an adult they're watching no matter what fantastical elements being presented by the streamer's cartoon model.
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Again not the point they are specifically creating content that panders to people that have an interest in pedophilia that is what lolicon is.
Even in Japan it's a form of child porn
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The cartoon is also not a 500 year old dragon either or whatever anime excuse there is.
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I don't know what the hell you're talking about
The Washington Ogre said:
Attraction to an of-age female is not pedophilic no matter how you want to frame it, otherwise we're back to the height or bust of consent argument.
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Go back and look at the clips and ask yourself if that's the same as a pornstar wearing a schoolgirl skirt
The Washington Ogre said:
This has derailed a thread and I won't reply further.
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That's because you don't have an argument and you never did but if you're into lollicon then clearly you have an attraction to children otherwise you wouldn't be cranking it two pictures of little girls.
 
The Washington Ogre said:
This is no different than a woman in a schoolgirl outfit who is fetishizing a high school or younger girl. They're explicitly invoking the image of an underage woman in this scenario. You're blurring the lines between fiction and reality to get to this point. The people watching are aware it's an adult they're watching no matter what fantastical elements being presented by the streamer's cartoon model. The cartoon is also not a 500 year old dragon either or whatever anime excuse there is. Attraction to an of-age female is not pedophilic no matter how you want to frame it, otherwise we're back to the height or bust of consent argument.

This has derailed a thread and I won't reply further.
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You're really grasping at straws now. You're trying to equate a woman in a schoolgirl outfit with a VTuber who's explicitly invoking the image of an underage girl? That's a false equivalence. A woman in a schoolgirl outfit is not pretending to be a child, she's an adult wearing a costume. A VTuber who's creating a character that's designed to look like a child is a completely different story.

And no, the people watching are not just aware that it's an adult behind the stream. They're also aware that the streamer is presenting themselves as a child, and that's what's driving the attraction. You can't just separate the fantasy from the reality here, because the fantasy is specifically designed to evoke a certain response.

And as for your 'height or bust of consent' argument, that's a strawman. No one is saying that attraction to an of-age female is pedophilic. The issue is that these VTubers are creating content that's designed to appeal to people who are attracted to children. It's not about the age of the streamer, it's about the content they're creating.

And finally, I love how you're running away from this conversation with your tail between your legs, claiming that the thread has been 'derailed'. That's just a cop-out. You can't handle the fact that your argument has been thoroughly debunked, so you're trying to retreat with dignity. Sorry, it's too late for that. Your argument has been exposed for what it is: a weak attempt to defend the indefensible.
 
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