Kiwifarms Gossip The Suicide of Near

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The suicide of Near / Byuu is a major talking point against the farms, which Famers thoroughly deny. In this thread I will be documenting the suicide of Near.

The Suicide of David Kirk Ginder

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Email exchange between Null and Near
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
Date: June-26-2021 12:59 PM

I can't do this anymore.

I've tried therapy, I've tried every anti-depressant available in Japan, I've erased my entire internet presence back in July. I've tried everything, but nothing works. I can't stop having panic attacks. I can't stop feeling humiliated. I can't stop spending every hour of my life worrying about what your users are going to do next to me or my friends both onsite and off. It's been a three-year nightmare for me.

I know I'm different, but I've tried my best to be a good person. To learn from my mistakes and not repeat them. To help others wherever I could. But I've always been ridiculed for being different. It's been a constant my entire life. It's unbearable.

I can't live like this any more, it has wrecked my entire life. I really can't explain why this hurts me so deeply, and I know it's irrational. I can only tell you that I can't handle this anymore. "byuu" is all I have. I have no real-life friends, no identity off the internet, this is it. There's no other reason for my being but to try and emulate game consoles for people. I put my entire life into this.

So I'll give you the choice.

If you'll take down my thread, I'll offer you my entire life's savings: $120,000 USD, as much of that as you want, however you want it. I'll further offer you my services as a 20-year software engineer, free of charge. I've done my best the past three years to better myself and make changes for every point criticized there. I'm not involved with the fandom or non-binary scene and haven't been for years, I was just desperate to fit in somewhere. My politics are centrist and kept to myself, my social media accounts are all long-gone. You won't hear of me again, I'll just post emulator releases and that's it, absolutely no internet presence otherwise, on my word. And I'll keep going to therapy to try to get past this. This is me just outright begging you with everything I have. Please give me the chance to get through this. You won, a thousand times over already.

If not, then I'll reply with my dox: a scan of my passport, a recent photo, and proof that it's mine, for confirmation. And then I'll hang myself. I live alone, I've tested my setup with a slipknot on a solid climbing rope over a door frame, I've spent weeks doing my research on this, it works. I can nearly pass out with little effort or discomfort, the carotid arteries are easily compressible. A kick stool should be all that's needed. It won't fail, but if it were to, I live on the 14th floor and have a balcony. On my reputation and honor, having had no history of ever threatening this nor of being untruthful in my 20+ years online, I give you my word that I'm serious. You can post this e-mail if you choose. I won't make a big fuss about it online though, don't worry. It doesn't matter anymore.

I really tried to avoid getting to this point, but every day has been worse than the last for too long now. Those two weeks were the only time in the past few years where I felt any happiness at all. So it's up to you. Let me know what you decide please, or if you want anything else from me.

~ byuu

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From: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
To: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
Date: June-26-2021 1:10 PM

You're putting me in a very uncomfortable position. The smartest thing for me to do is simply ignore your email, but I generally try to be nice to people.

Every word that I say in reply to you will eventually be used against me. If I help you, I've censored my website and my users may be upset. If I don't help you, I could be under investigation due to your actions. Even if my users don't care, accepting money as you've offered could be a violation of some extortion laws. I will have to consult at least one of my attorneys regarding the criminality of this issue no matter what.

Though in follow-up, why does this small discussion thread bother you so much? If you're in Japan, taking medication, and making enough money to have $120,000 in liquidity laying around, what does the Kiwi Farms deprive you of to make it worth that much money or your life? I don't see anyone on the thread talking about hurting you, so I don't understand what you mean by "what they'll do next".
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 1:25 PM

Well, first, thank you for replying.

I understand all of that. I know the risk it places you under. You have my word that none of this leaves here. We can switch to a secure chat like Signal if you want. Username Near: [redacted].

I know full well about Google's "exploitative removal practices" and the risk it places you on.
I can send it via anonymized Bitcoin. I have zero intention to do anything to undo this if I were to send you money. Feel free to consult with an attorney if you want, I'll sign a legally binding agreement with my legal name that it's not in any way tied to anything that could get you in trouble. I'm a US citizen as well.

As best I can tell, I have RSD as a result of ADHD, particularly bad.
https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-and-adhd/

I really can't tell you why it makes me so miserable. I don't understand it either.
I've been to so many therapists, watched every video, talked to so many people, it just doesn't help.

When the thread went up in May 2018 it was a little humiliating at first but nothing major.
But then people started showing up in servers I was in accusing me of pedophilia. It's difficult to be called something so horrendous. But still, I just ignored it completely. In February 2020, someone claiming to be from your site posted a dox list on Pastebin of several of my friends to 4chan's /emugen/ board. I lost one of my best online friends of ten years to that. https://twitter.com/talarubi if you must know. Yes yes I know, trans furry etc. I doubt you'd sympathize but the relationship meant a lot to me. She got so upset by having her personal information revealed that she blamed me and we haven't spoken since. In July 2020, Basil and Retrocrab on your board were trying to make a thread on another emulator developer, Arisotura, because of me, while she was suicidal. I know, again, trans, again, I don't expect you to care about these people. But they were my friends and they spent years helping me with my software. And then when Jacob, the dumbass that he was, tried to help me, he got on your bad side and someone named Ritter doxed him in January 2021. I haven't heard from him since either and I don't even know if he's okay or not. He's not my friend, but, I didn't want this to happen to him.

None of this ever happened to me before. People didn't target other people like this because of my actions.

I've always internalized the blame for the actions of others. I feel responsible for this. Every day I wonder when it's going to start up again, who they're going to bother next. If they're going to get my dox. If they're going to harass my employer. If they're going to convince others I'm attracted to kids or animals or whatever other horrifically disgusting things they think is funny to say. It's not, man. I'm a real person.

Call me out on what I did, I'll own that. I owned it on your site in February 2020. I know I'm weird, pathetic, and so on. But I don't deserve this. I don't know if you realize this or not, but your users go after us offsite when they want to provoke reactions out of us. It's not just the thread. People A-log all the time. I have quite a few and that site is like their vindication and validation that I am a deserving target of this.


The money doesn't mean anything to me. It doesn't make me happy. I can't take it with me so I may as well offer it first as a last resort.
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 1:27 PM

The only SSRI to do anything was Zoloft, but it caused me really terrible tinnitus and I can't take it.
The rest of it does nothing. Nortriptyline, Lexapro, Mirtazapine, Anafranil, Intuniv, it helped a little, but it doesn't do anything anymore. I also have OCD and I think that it makes me obsess over things like this. I can't stop myself from thinking about it and worrying about the "what ifs."
From: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
To: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
Date: June-26-2021 1:35 PM

You realize I can only control what's on the site, right? I can't control archives, pastbins, doxbin, etc.

https://web.archive.org/web/2020*/https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/

https://archive.md/https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/*

What would you do if the thread was removed but then it was simply restored on a different site (i.e. Encyclopedia Dramatica or one of the competitors to the forum)? That's not unlikely.
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 1:46 PM

I know that. And I know I can't touch Denis' archive.is stuff. I'm hopeful it's obscure enough to be forgotten.

I don't know what else to do. I'm out of ideas and hope. It's a risk. If it happens, it happens, and I'll have to consider what to do then.

I completely deleted my entire social media internet presence a year ago, so I am desperately hoping people will forget about me and move on.

I never wanted any of this online "fame" or attention. I just wanted to release my software and it kind of grew out of control. By the time I realized the negative consequences it was too late to put that genie back in the bottle. All I can do is stay off the internet as much as possible and hope they grow bored.

Well, here. Do with this as you will. I want to hold off on the name before you decide because I don't want to risk being interrupted. If I do this I won't disclose it and I'll delete this e-mail. I don't want to be remembered that way anyway. It's not going to bring me any comfort to bother anyone else at this point. I just need this to stop.

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From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 1:48 PM

Also, your site has a reach that none of those other places can ever get even close to.

You really have the #1 website on the entire internet for this sort of thing.
From: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
To: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
Date: June-26-2021 2:04 PM

I dunno homie, I have to contact a lawyer about the suicide threat anyways but you should expect my answer to be no in general.

- It sets a bad precedent.
- The money isn't worth dealing with the fallout if problems come up.
- I'd feel bad taking your entire savings.
- There's probably legal issues in accepting it anyways.
- How do I even report this income? Am I going to get a 1099-NEC?

Be realistic; my hands are tied.

The pros is basically that I have a down-payment on a house I'm looking for, but that's something I'd get anyways just working hard on keeping the community going and growing my podcast -- especially if crypto ever goes back up. I'm really not that materialistic, and I fear the wrath of God (Mark 8:36).

I feel like you're being genuine. There's a fear here that you're just trying to prank me to show people "look, Josh just wants money", but it's one of the small subsets of concerns at play here.

So hear me out: Send me your resume, I'll make you a counter offer.
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 2:23 PM

It is absolutely not in my best interest to ever tell anyone about this for any reason. It exposes me to the fact that I've funded your site, which would instantly eviscerate my own reputation in my circles. It may put me at legal risk in the event your site ever does get in legal trouble. And it risks a Streisand effect if people find out we did this and then they'll want their money from mirroring the content elsewhere. In no way is it a good idea for me to ever, ever speak of this to another person. Frankly, just me offering this already puts me at risk. If you were to just drop this e-mail you could wreck my reputation instantly. I only sent this e-mail because I am for real serious. If it helps you with sincerity, proof it's my rope.

As far as precedent, it's your site so you could claim any reason you want, or just not say anything. It's up to you.

You certainly don't *have* to take all of the money, or any of it. But I'll give you whatever you want. I get something out of it so there's no reason for you to feel bad. Take what you're comfortable taking.
You would have to claim it as either 1099-NEC or Form 1040 (capital gains) to steer clear of the IRS, yes.
I have a US lawyer as well who I could have talk with your lawer. Brandon Huffman from Odin Law. Obviously I have not said anything to him about this, but in general I trust him with anything and he could help us work this out.

I can send you money any way you like. Bitcoin, Paypal, bank transfer, you name it, I'll figure it out.
The one thing I just want to say upfront is that if we do this, I would like to send it in increments. Say $1000 a month or so. Would that be agreeable? There's the risk to me if I send you the entire thing and then you keep the thread anyway. Understandably we're both a bit suspicious of one another, but I want to be straight with you.

Tell me how I can ease your concerns and I will do so.

Tell me how I can demonstrate my sincerity and I will do so.

I'm not really materialistic either. Money doesn't bring happiness.

I don't really have a resume put together but in general:

I've been employed professionally as a software engineer since 2004. I've been programming since I was 14.
I'm an expert with C, C++, PHP, SQL, etc.
The emulators I've written were bsnes, higan, and ares.
I've emulated every game system from the NES to the N64/PlayStation. Software is here: https://ares.dev/
The website runs my own HTTP server (underneath nginx for HTTPS.)
higan is notable enough for Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higan_(emulator)
I'm an expert reverse engineer: I contributed to emulating Stephen Hawking's voice machine onto a Raspberry Pi. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea...Valley-quest-to-preserve-Stephen-12759775.php(search "higan") or http://web.archive.org/web/20180829151131/http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-computer.html(search "byuu")
I'm good with algorithms and have implemented things like elliptic curve cryptography (Ed25519), Reed-Solomon error correction, Diffie-Hellman key exchange, induced sorting via suffix arrays, and other concepts.
The emulator abstraction layer I created went on to become RetroArch, which is the most well-known emulation software out there right now.
I think that's about it for a resume, but feel free to ask any additional questions.

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From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 2:26 PM

As an alternative, I own a registered business and I can hire you as my employee for whatever purpose.
Attached is my business article of incorporation. Might be a little tricky to set up but I'm sure it's entirely doable.

> you should expect my answer to be no in general.

All I can do is pray.

[10-17-19 - NM Initial Filing - byuu LLC.pdf]
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 2:51 PM

Honestly thinking more about it, I guess it doesn't matter if you were to renege. I'll send as much as you want at a time, if we went that route. My bank has a transfer limit of 100,000 yen a day so at the very least it will take 4 months to send you everything I have. There's nothing I can do about that.

To clarify a bit more on my professional career, I worked for a Fortune 500 company for 12 years handling EDI orders. I wrote the software that ran our web portals, coded business logic EDI maps to interface with their systems, lots of SOAP/REST/DBA/VM management work.

I'm in Japan because a company here reached out to me to recruit me to reverse engineer hardware. They pay me really well for it so it was hard to say no. I've been at my current job for 3 years now.

I'm not saying I would be some kind of savant for any development tasks you had, but I'm professionally competent and I learn quickly. I'm certain I could be of assistance, or barring that, I could find people who are.

I know a whole lot employees who work at Google, Microsoft, Amazon, etc. Most emulator developers are coding savants and I am on good terms with almost all of them. So I'm confident I could achieve almost anything with favors.
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-27-2021 3:12 AM

I'm sorry but I'm out of time. I presume your lawyer said not to speak to me anyway.

I've posted my dox sans last name to Twitter. I decided against sending it to you directly because I don't want anyone to be able to reach me in time. You can end up with horrific brain damage that way. I have given my passport scan to a trusted friend who will post it anonymously in a few hours, so that you guys can confirm it's legitimate. Look for news in the Arakawa ward of Tokyo in a few days.

I released my last software build under the most permissive license possible.

I've already taken several codiene and intuniv to crash my blood pressure, and now I'm getting myself as drunk as I can. This is really going to suck. But oh well, a few minutes and I'll finally be free of this.

I really would have given you the money, and you really could have saved my life with the smallest gesture of kindness. Justify it however you want, this one is on you. I hope the forum thread is worth it.

I would advise you against posting this e-mail thread as you did pseudo-implicate yourself being willing to consider the idea. But do whatever you want, it doesn't matter. I'm not going to release it on my end.

See you Josh.
From: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
To: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
Date: June-27-2021 12:18 PM

I will not be extorted.

Near’s Suicide Note (Archive)
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This is me. My real name is Dave. Sorry, I've never been able to smile.
The honest truth is, I've been bullied, ridiculed, and humiliated my entire life. From my earliest grade school memories to now. It's always hurt me deeply enough that I can't describe it in words. I could only just tolerate it with heavy depression when it was 4chan
But Kiwi Farms has made the harassment orders of magnitude worse. It's escalated from attacking me for being autistic, to attacking and doxing my friends, and trying to suicide bait another, just to get a reaction from me. I lost one of my best friends to this. I feel responsible
I can't handle this anymore. I have tried everything. I have taken every medication available. I have tried multiple therapists. I have tried closing myself off from the world. It doesn't help at all. Every night I am filled with panic attacks and dread and worry.
I have tried changing in every way possible as they wanted me to in order to get this to stop, but it just never does. Every few months, it's something new. A new dox, a new thread, a new tangent. It's too much to bear any longer.
I've always tried my best to be kind and helpful to everyone. And I didn't do anything wrong other than be weird online. Maybe a bit too passionate at times. Their horrific claims are entirely baseless. Still, if I've hurt or upset anyone, I'm really sorry for that.
The internet is not a game. It's real life. I'm a real person. This stuff really hurts. I poured my entire life into this. I have no real-life friends, I have no other reason for being. Only this. And now I have nothing.
It's too late for me, but I pray that someone, at some point, will do something about that website. There's too many people suffering, and no one seems to care because we are relative nobodies online, and they know that. Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.
Please don't remember me for this. Remember me for what I've done. For my work and dedication. Thank you all so much for your kindness and support over the years. I'm very sorry, but know that I love you all very much. Here's hoping there's something better awaiting.
Please don't hate me for this. As much as I know it will cause some of you to suffer, please understand I was suffering far more. I'm sure some will try to play this off as my fault. But it's not. They didn't have to do this and they could have stopped any time, but chose not to.
I would have kept going if Joshua Moon had shown me just the tiniest bit of compassion. But he chose not to. That's not on me, that's on him. That's on every last person who pushed me to this point and didn't let up. I never deserved any of this.
Thank you all so much for the kind messages. Please take care of yourselves. I love you all very much. Thank you for all your support over the years. It's been such an honor. I'll miss you all so much, but at least I can finally be at peace.

Telegram messages sent to Blumiere and Zrcalo minutes before his suicide
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[Message 1]

I can't do this anymore.

I've tried therapy, I've tried every anti-depressant available in Japan, I've erased my entire internet presence back in July. I've tried everything, but nothing works. I can't stop having panic attacks. I can't stop feeling humiliated. I can't stop spending every hour of my life worrying about what your users are going to do next to me or my friends both onsite and off. It's been a three-year nightmare for me.

I know I'm different, but I've tried my best to be a good person. To learn from my mistakes and not repeat them. To help others wherever I could. But I've always been ridiculed for being different. It's been a constant my entire life. It's unbearable.

I can't live like this any more, it has wrecked my entire life. I really can't explain why this hurts me so deeply, and I know it's irrational. I can only tell you that I can't handle this anymore. "byuu" is all I have. I have no real-life friends, no identity off the internet, this is it. There's no other reason for my being but to try and emulate game consoles for people. I put my entire life into this.

So I'll give you the choice.

If you'll take down my thread, I'll offer you my entire life's savings: $120,000 USD, as much of that as you want, however you want it. I'll further offer you my services as a 20-year software engineer, free of charge. I've done my best the past three years to better myself and make changes for every point criticized there. I'm not involved with the fandom or non-binary scene and haven't been for years, I was just desperate to fit in somewhere. My politics are centrist and kept to myself, my social media accounts are all long-gone. You won't hear of me again, I'll just post emulator releases and that's it, absolutely no internet presence otherwise, on my word. And I'll keep going to therapy to try to get past this. This is me just outright begging you with everything I have. Please give me the chance to get through this. You won, a thousand times over already.

If not, then I'll reply with my dox: a scan of my passport, a recent photo, and proof that it's mine, for confirmation. And then I'll hang myself. I live alone, I've tested my setup with a slipknot on a solid climbing rope over a door frame, I've spent weeks doing my research on this, it works. I can nearly pass out with little effort or discomfort, the carotid arteries are easily compressible. A kick stool should be all that's needed. It won't fail, but if it were to, I live on the 14th floor and have a balcony. On my reputation and honor, having had no history of ever threatening this nor of being untruthful in my 20+ years online, I give you my word that I'm serious. You can post this e-mail if you choose. I won't make a big fuss about it online though, don't worry. It doesn't matter anymore.

I really tried to avoid getting to this point, but every day has been worse than the last for too long now. Those two weeks were the only time in the past few years where I felt any happiness at all. So it's up to you. Let me know what you decide please, or if you want anything else from me.

~ byuu

[Message 2]

You're putting me in a very uncomfortable position. The smartest thing
for me to do is simply ignore your email, but I generally try to be nice
to people.

Every word that I say in reply to you will eventually be used against
me. If I help you, I've censored my website and my users may be upset.
If I don't help you, I could be under investigation due to your
actions. Even if my users don't care, accepting money as you've offered
could be a violation of some extortion laws. I will have to consult at
least one of my attorneys regarding the criminality of this issue no
matter what.

Though in follow-up, why does this small discussion thread bother you so
much? If you're in Japan, taking medication, and making enough money to
have $120,000 in liquidity laying around, what does the Kiwi Farms
deprive you of to make it worth that much money or your life? I don't
see anyone on the thread talking about hurting you, so I don't
understand what you mean by "what they'll do next".

[Message 3]

Well, first, thank you for replying.

I understand all of that. I know the risk it places you under. You have my word that none of this leaves here. We can switch to a secure chat like Signal if you want. Username Near: (253) 448-3380.

I know full well about Google's "exploitative removal practices" and the risk it places you on.
I can send it via anonymized Bitcoin. I have zero intention to do anything to undo this if I were to send you money. Feel free to consult with an attorney if you want, I'll sign a legally binding agreement with my legal name that it's not in any way tied to anything that could get you in trouble. I'm a US citizen as well.

As best I can tell, I have RSD as a result of ADHD, particularly bad.

I really can't tell you why it makes me so miserable. I don't understand it either.
I've been to so many therapists, watched every video, talked to so many people, it just doesn't help.

When the thread went up in May 2018 it was a little humiliating at first but nothing major.
But then people started showing up in servers I was in accusing me of pedophilia. It's difficult to be called something so horrendous. But still, I just ignored it completely. In February 2020, someone claiming to be from your site posted a dox list on Pastebin of several of my friends to 4chan's /emugen/ board. I lost one of my best online friends of ten years to that. https://twitter.com/talarubi if you must know. Yes yes I know, trans furry etc. I doubt you'd sympathize but the relationship meant a lot to me. She got so upset by having her personal information revealed that she blamed me and we haven't spoken since. In July 2020, Basil and Retrocrab on your board were trying to make a thread on another emulator developer, Arisotura, because of me, while she was suicidal. I know, again, trans, again, I don't expect you to care about these people. But they were my friends and they spent years helping me with my software. And then when Jacob, the dumbass that he was, tried to help me, he got on your bad side and someone named Ritter doxed him in January 2021. I haven't heard from him since either and I don't even know if he's okay or not. He's not my friend, but, I didn't want this to happen to him.

None of this ever happened to me before. People didn't target other people like this because of my actions.

I've always internalized the blame for the actions of others. I feel responsible for this. Every day I wonder when it's going to start up again, who they're going to bother next. If they're going to get my dox. If they're going to harass my employer. If they're going to convince others I'm attracted to kids or animals or whatever other horrifically disgusting things they think is funny to say. It's not, man. I'm a real person.

Call me out on what I did, I'll own that. I owned it on your site in February 2020. I know I'm weird, pathetic, and so on. But I don't deserve this. I don't know if you realize this or not, but your users go after us offsite when they want to provoke reactions out of us. It's not just the thread. People A-log all the time. I have quite a few and that site is like their vindication and validation that I am a deserving target of this.

The money doesn't mean anything to me. It doesn't make me happy. I can't take it with me so I may as well offer it first as a last resort.

[Message 4]

The only SSRI to do anything was Zoloft, but it caused me really terrible tinnitus and I can't take it.
The rest of it does nothing. Nortriptyline, Lexapro, Mirtazapine, Anafranil, Intuniv, it helped a little, but it doesn't do anything anymore. I also have OCD and I think that it makes me obsess over things like this. I can't stop myself from thinking about it and worrying about the "what ifs."

[Message 5]

You realize I can only control what's on the site, right? I can't
control archives, pastbins, doxbin, etc.



What would you do if the thread was removed but then it was simply
restored on a different site (i.e. Encyclopedia Dramatica or one of the
competitors to the forum)? That's not unlikely.

[Message 6]

I know that. And I know I can't touch Denis' archive.is stuff. I'm hopeful it's obscure enough to be forgotten.

I don't know what else to do. I'm out of ideas and hope. It's a risk. If it happens, it happens, and I'll have to consider what to do then.

I completely deleted my entire social media internet presence a year ago, so I am desperately hoping people will forget about me and move on.

I never wanted any of this online "fame" or attention. I just wanted to release my software and it kind of grew out of control. By the time I realized the negative consequences it was too late to put that genie back in the bottle. All I can do is stay off the internet as much as possible and hope they grow bored.

Well, here. Do with this as you will. I want to hold off on the name before you decide because I don't want to risk being interrupted. If I do this I won't disclose it and I'll delete this e-mail. I don't want to be remembered that way anyway. It's not going to bring me any comfort to bother anyone else at this point. I just need this to stop.

[Message 7]

Also, your site has a reach that none of those other places can ever get even close to.

You really have the #1 website on the entire internet for this sort of thing.

[Message 8]

I dunno homie, I have to contact a lawyer about the suicide threat
anyways but you should expect my answer to be no in general.

- It sets a bad precedent.
- The money isn't worth dealing with the fallout if problems come up.
- I'd feel bad taking your entire savings.
- There's probably legal issues in accepting it anyways.
- How do I even report this income? Am I going to get a 1099-NEC?

Be realistic; my hands are tied.

The pros is basically that I have a down-payment on a house I'm looking
for, but that's something I'd get anyways just working hard on keeping
the community going and growing my podcast -- especially if crypto ever
goes back up. I'm really not that materialistic, and I fear the wrath
of God (Mark 8:36).

I feel like you're being genuine. There's a fear here that you're just
trying to prank me to show people "look, Josh just wants money", but
it's one of the small subsets of concerns at play here.

So hear me out: Send me your resume, I'll make you a counter offer.

[Message 9]

It is absolutely not in my best interest to ever tell anyone about this for any reason. It exposes me to the fact that I've funded your site, which would instantly eviscerate my own reputation in my circles. It may put me at legal risk in the event your site ever does get in legal trouble. And it risks a Streisand effect if people find out we did this and then they'll want their money from mirroring the content elsewhere. In no way is it a good idea for me to ever, ever speak of this to another person. Frankly, just me offering this already puts me at risk. If you were to just drop this e-mail you could wreck my reputation instantly. I only sent this e-mail because I am for real serious. If it helps you with sincerity, proof it's my rope.

As far as precedent, it's your site so you could claim any reason you want, or just not say anything. It's up to you.

You certainly don't *have* to take all of the money, or any of it. But I'll give you whatever you want. I get something out of it so there's no reason for you to feel bad. Take what you're comfortable taking.
You would have to claim it as either 1099-NEC or Form 1040 (capital gains) to steer clear of the IRS, yes.
I have a US lawyer as well who I could have talk with your lawer. Brandon Huffman from Odin Law. Obviously I have not said anything to him about this, but in general I trust him with anything and he could help us work this out.

I can send you money any way you like. Bitcoin, Paypal, bank transfer, you name it, I'll figure it out.
The one thing I just want to say upfront is that if we do this, I would like to send it in increments. Say $1000 a month or so. Would that be agreeable? There's the risk to me if I send you the entire thing and then you keep the thread anyway. Understandably we're both a bit suspicious of one another, but I want to be straight with you.

Tell me how I can ease your concerns and I will do so.

Tell me how I can demonstrate my sincerity and I will do so.

I'm not really materialistic either. Money doesn't bring happiness.

I don't really have a resume put together but in general:

I've been employed professionally as a software engineer since 2004. I've been programming since I was 14.
I'm an expert with C, C++, PHP, SQL, etc.
The emulators I've written were bsnes, higan, and ares.
I've emulated every game system from the NES to the N64/PlayStation. Software is here: https://ares.dev/
The website runs my own HTTP server (underneath nginx for HTTPS.)
higan is notable enough for Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higan_(emulator)
I'm an expert reverse engineer: I contributed to emulating Stephen Hawking's voice machine onto a Raspberry Pi. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea...Valley-quest-to-preserve-Stephen-12759775.php (search "higan") or http://web.archive.org/web/20180829151131/http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-computer.html (search "byuu")
I'm good with algorithms and have implemented things like elliptic curve cryptography (Ed25519), Reed-Solomon error correction, Diffie-Hellman key exchange, induced sorting via suffix arrays, and other concepts.
The emulator abstraction layer I created went on to become RetroArch, which is the most well-known emulation software out there right now.
I think that's about it for a resume, but feel free to ask any additional questions.

[Message 10]

As an alternative, I own a registered business and I can hire you as my employee for whatever purpose.
Attached is my business article of incorporation. Might be a little tricky to set up but I'm sure it's entirely doable.

> you should expect my answer to be no in general.

All I can do is pray.

[Message 11]

Honestly thinking more about it, I guess it doesn't matter if you were to renege. I'll send as much as you want at a time, if we went that route. My bank has a transfer limit of 100,000 yen a day so at the very least it will take 4 months to send you everything I have. There's nothing I can do about that.

To clarify a bit more on my professional career, I worked for a Fortune 500 company for 12 years handling EDI orders. I wrote the software that ran our web portals, coded business logic EDI maps to interface with their systems, lots of SOAP/REST/DBA/VM management work.

I'm in Japan because a company here reached out to me to recruit me to reverse engineer hardware. They pay me really well for it so it was hard to say no. I've been at my current job for 3 years now.

I'm not saying I would be some kind of savant for any development tasks you had, but I'm professionally competent and I learn quickly. I'm certain I could be of assistance, or barring that, I could find people who are.

I know a whole lot employees who work at Google, Microsoft, Amazon, etc. Most emulator developers are coding savants and I am on good terms with almost all of them. So I'm confident I could achieve almost anything with favors.

Articles Announcing Near’s Death

PCGamer - Near, creator of the higan and bsnes emulators, has died
Kotaku - The Brilliant SNES Emulator Author Known As Near Has Died
USA Today - 'The internet is not a game. ... This stuff really hurts.' Respected developer who was bullied online dies by suicide.
IGN - Near, the Programmer Behind the Legendary BSNES Emulator, Has Died

Death records

Report of Death

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Japanese death records for June 2021
indicate two United States citizens died that month, contrary to popular kiwi farms claims (link)
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Post-Morten report corroborates that he was cremated

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Photo of Near’s urn
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CAUSE OF DEATH: a cocktail of codiene, intuniv, alcohol, and hanging.
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Official report:
A cord mark extending almost all the way around the head, with the apex on the left side of the head, and signs of sudden death were observed. Relatively high concentrations of chlorpheniramine, escitalopram, and dihydrocodeine were detected in the blood
According to information from investigative agencies, it appears that he tied a rope to the door himself and committed suicide.
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nobodyworthwhile

Baby Onion
The thing that gets me, reading those emails, is it feels like Null was really uncomfortable trying to talk to Byuu. I get the sense he kinda wanted to be sympathetic but also could not help but sound a little bit...

.... I'm not sure what I'm trying to describe here, but its like, without meaning to, he kinda ends up sounding bureaucratic, going on about legal troubles and stuff. Maybe I'm naive but it sounds like Null wanted to say "look, dude, I don't want your money, I want you to get help" but couldn't manage to say it in a way that didn't sound like a stuff-shirt.
 

polonium

How appropriate, you fight like a cow.
Hellovan Onion
The thing that gets me, reading those emails, is it feels like Null was really uncomfortable trying to talk to Byuu
Null looks like a total douche in these exchanges. Null doesn't refuse the money because it's morally reprehensible, he refuses it because it would make him look bad to take it. And then at the end he's crying about being extorted. I get the suicide baiting and all that but the juxtaposition of "please please please I'll give you thousands of dollars just delete the thread" and "HELP HELP IM BEING EXTORTED" is amusing
 

Cavalier Cipolla

Onion Knight...on Onionfarms!
Baby Onion
The suicide of Near / Byuu is a major talking point against the farms, which Famers thoroughly deny. In this thread I will be documenting the suicide of Near.

The Suicide of David Kirk Ginder

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Email exchange between Null and Near
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
Date: June-26-2021 12:59 PM

I can't do this anymore.

I've tried therapy, I've tried every anti-depressant available in Japan, I've erased my entire internet presence back in July. I've tried everything, but nothing works. I can't stop having panic attacks. I can't stop feeling humiliated. I can't stop spending every hour of my life worrying about what your users are going to do next to me or my friends both onsite and off. It's been a three-year nightmare for me.

I know I'm different, but I've tried my best to be a good person. To learn from my mistakes and not repeat them. To help others wherever I could. But I've always been ridiculed for being different. It's been a constant my entire life. It's unbearable.

I can't live like this any more, it has wrecked my entire life. I really can't explain why this hurts me so deeply, and I know it's irrational. I can only tell you that I can't handle this anymore. "byuu" is all I have. I have no real-life friends, no identity off the internet, this is it. There's no other reason for my being but to try and emulate game consoles for people. I put my entire life into this.

So I'll give you the choice.

If you'll take down my thread, I'll offer you my entire life's savings: $120,000 USD, as much of that as you want, however you want it. I'll further offer you my services as a 20-year software engineer, free of charge. I've done my best the past three years to better myself and make changes for every point criticized there. I'm not involved with the fandom or non-binary scene and haven't been for years, I was just desperate to fit in somewhere. My politics are centrist and kept to myself, my social media accounts are all long-gone. You won't hear of me again, I'll just post emulator releases and that's it, absolutely no internet presence otherwise, on my word. And I'll keep going to therapy to try to get past this. This is me just outright begging you with everything I have. Please give me the chance to get through this. You won, a thousand times over already.

If not, then I'll reply with my dox: a scan of my passport, a recent photo, and proof that it's mine, for confirmation. And then I'll hang myself. I live alone, I've tested my setup with a slipknot on a solid climbing rope over a door frame, I've spent weeks doing my research on this, it works. I can nearly pass out with little effort or discomfort, the carotid arteries are easily compressible. A kick stool should be all that's needed. It won't fail, but if it were to, I live on the 14th floor and have a balcony. On my reputation and honor, having had no history of ever threatening this nor of being untruthful in my 20+ years online, I give you my word that I'm serious. You can post this e-mail if you choose. I won't make a big fuss about it online though, don't worry. It doesn't matter anymore.

I really tried to avoid getting to this point, but every day has been worse than the last for too long now. Those two weeks were the only time in the past few years where I felt any happiness at all. So it's up to you. Let me know what you decide please, or if you want anything else from me.

~ byuu

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From: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
To: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
Date: June-26-2021 1:10 PM

You're putting me in a very uncomfortable position. The smartest thing for me to do is simply ignore your email, but I generally try to be nice to people.

Every word that I say in reply to you will eventually be used against me. If I help you, I've censored my website and my users may be upset. If I don't help you, I could be under investigation due to your actions. Even if my users don't care, accepting money as you've offered could be a violation of some extortion laws. I will have to consult at least one of my attorneys regarding the criminality of this issue no matter what.

Though in follow-up, why does this small discussion thread bother you so much? If you're in Japan, taking medication, and making enough money to have $120,000 in liquidity laying around, what does the Kiwi Farms deprive you of to make it worth that much money or your life? I don't see anyone on the thread talking about hurting you, so I don't understand what you mean by "what they'll do next".
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 1:25 PM

Well, first, thank you for replying.

I understand all of that. I know the risk it places you under. You have my word that none of this leaves here. We can switch to a secure chat like Signal if you want. Username Near: [redacted].

I know full well about Google's "exploitative removal practices" and the risk it places you on.
I can send it via anonymized Bitcoin. I have zero intention to do anything to undo this if I were to send you money. Feel free to consult with an attorney if you want, I'll sign a legally binding agreement with my legal name that it's not in any way tied to anything that could get you in trouble. I'm a US citizen as well.

As best I can tell, I have RSD as a result of ADHD, particularly bad.
https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-and-adhd/

I really can't tell you why it makes me so miserable. I don't understand it either.
I've been to so many therapists, watched every video, talked to so many people, it just doesn't help.

When the thread went up in May 2018 it was a little humiliating at first but nothing major.
But then people started showing up in servers I was in accusing me of pedophilia. It's difficult to be called something so horrendous. But still, I just ignored it completely. In February 2020, someone claiming to be from your site posted a dox list on Pastebin of several of my friends to 4chan's /emugen/ board. I lost one of my best online friends of ten years to that. https://twitter.com/talarubi if you must know. Yes yes I know, trans furry etc. I doubt you'd sympathize but the relationship meant a lot to me. She got so upset by having her personal information revealed that she blamed me and we haven't spoken since. In July 2020, Basil and Retrocrab on your board were trying to make a thread on another emulator developer, Arisotura, because of me, while she was suicidal. I know, again, trans, again, I don't expect you to care about these people. But they were my friends and they spent years helping me with my software. And then when Jacob, the dumbass that he was, tried to help me, he got on your bad side and someone named Ritter doxed him in January 2021. I haven't heard from him since either and I don't even know if he's okay or not. He's not my friend, but, I didn't want this to happen to him.

None of this ever happened to me before. People didn't target other people like this because of my actions.

I've always internalized the blame for the actions of others. I feel responsible for this. Every day I wonder when it's going to start up again, who they're going to bother next. If they're going to get my dox. If they're going to harass my employer. If they're going to convince others I'm attracted to kids or animals or whatever other horrifically disgusting things they think is funny to say. It's not, man. I'm a real person.

Call me out on what I did, I'll own that. I owned it on your site in February 2020. I know I'm weird, pathetic, and so on. But I don't deserve this. I don't know if you realize this or not, but your users go after us offsite when they want to provoke reactions out of us. It's not just the thread. People A-log all the time. I have quite a few and that site is like their vindication and validation that I am a deserving target of this.


The money doesn't mean anything to me. It doesn't make me happy. I can't take it with me so I may as well offer it first as a last resort.
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 1:27 PM

The only SSRI to do anything was Zoloft, but it caused me really terrible tinnitus and I can't take it.
The rest of it does nothing. Nortriptyline, Lexapro, Mirtazapine, Anafranil, Intuniv, it helped a little, but it doesn't do anything anymore. I also have OCD and I think that it makes me obsess over things like this. I can't stop myself from thinking about it and worrying about the "what ifs."
From: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
To: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
Date: June-26-2021 1:35 PM

You realize I can only control what's on the site, right? I can't control archives, pastbins, doxbin, etc.

https://web.archive.org/web/2020*/https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/

https://archive.md/https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/*

What would you do if the thread was removed but then it was simply restored on a different site (i.e. Encyclopedia Dramatica or one of the competitors to the forum)? That's not unlikely.
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 1:46 PM

I know that. And I know I can't touch Denis' archive.is stuff. I'm hopeful it's obscure enough to be forgotten.

I don't know what else to do. I'm out of ideas and hope. It's a risk. If it happens, it happens, and I'll have to consider what to do then.

I completely deleted my entire social media internet presence a year ago, so I am desperately hoping people will forget about me and move on.

I never wanted any of this online "fame" or attention. I just wanted to release my software and it kind of grew out of control. By the time I realized the negative consequences it was too late to put that genie back in the bottle. All I can do is stay off the internet as much as possible and hope they grow bored.

Well, here. Do with this as you will. I want to hold off on the name before you decide because I don't want to risk being interrupted. If I do this I won't disclose it and I'll delete this e-mail. I don't want to be remembered that way anyway. It's not going to bring me any comfort to bother anyone else at this point. I just need this to stop.

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From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 1:48 PM

Also, your site has a reach that none of those other places can ever get even close to.

You really have the #1 website on the entire internet for this sort of thing.
From: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
To: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
Date: June-26-2021 2:04 PM

I dunno homie, I have to contact a lawyer about the suicide threat anyways but you should expect my answer to be no in general.

- It sets a bad precedent.
- The money isn't worth dealing with the fallout if problems come up.
- I'd feel bad taking your entire savings.
- There's probably legal issues in accepting it anyways.
- How do I even report this income? Am I going to get a 1099-NEC?

Be realistic; my hands are tied.

The pros is basically that I have a down-payment on a house I'm looking for, but that's something I'd get anyways just working hard on keeping the community going and growing my podcast -- especially if crypto ever goes back up. I'm really not that materialistic, and I fear the wrath of God (Mark 8:36).

I feel like you're being genuine. There's a fear here that you're just trying to prank me to show people "look, Josh just wants money", but it's one of the small subsets of concerns at play here.

So hear me out: Send me your resume, I'll make you a counter offer.
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 2:23 PM

It is absolutely not in my best interest to ever tell anyone about this for any reason. It exposes me to the fact that I've funded your site, which would instantly eviscerate my own reputation in my circles. It may put me at legal risk in the event your site ever does get in legal trouble. And it risks a Streisand effect if people find out we did this and then they'll want their money from mirroring the content elsewhere. In no way is it a good idea for me to ever, ever speak of this to another person. Frankly, just me offering this already puts me at risk. If you were to just drop this e-mail you could wreck my reputation instantly. I only sent this e-mail because I am for real serious. If it helps you with sincerity, proof it's my rope.

As far as precedent, it's your site so you could claim any reason you want, or just not say anything. It's up to you.

You certainly don't *have* to take all of the money, or any of it. But I'll give you whatever you want. I get something out of it so there's no reason for you to feel bad. Take what you're comfortable taking.
You would have to claim it as either 1099-NEC or Form 1040 (capital gains) to steer clear of the IRS, yes.
I have a US lawyer as well who I could have talk with your lawer. Brandon Huffman from Odin Law. Obviously I have not said anything to him about this, but in general I trust him with anything and he could help us work this out.

I can send you money any way you like. Bitcoin, Paypal, bank transfer, you name it, I'll figure it out.
The one thing I just want to say upfront is that if we do this, I would like to send it in increments. Say $1000 a month or so. Would that be agreeable? There's the risk to me if I send you the entire thing and then you keep the thread anyway. Understandably we're both a bit suspicious of one another, but I want to be straight with you.

Tell me how I can ease your concerns and I will do so.

Tell me how I can demonstrate my sincerity and I will do so.

I'm not really materialistic either. Money doesn't bring happiness.

I don't really have a resume put together but in general:

I've been employed professionally as a software engineer since 2004. I've been programming since I was 14.
I'm an expert with C, C++, PHP, SQL, etc.
The emulators I've written were bsnes, higan, and ares.
I've emulated every game system from the NES to the N64/PlayStation. Software is here: https://ares.dev/
The website runs my own HTTP server (underneath nginx for HTTPS.)
higan is notable enough for Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higan_(emulator)
I'm an expert reverse engineer: I contributed to emulating Stephen Hawking's voice machine onto a Raspberry Pi. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea...Valley-quest-to-preserve-Stephen-12759775.php(search "higan") or http://web.archive.org/web/20180829151131/http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-computer.html(search "byuu")
I'm good with algorithms and have implemented things like elliptic curve cryptography (Ed25519), Reed-Solomon error correction, Diffie-Hellman key exchange, induced sorting via suffix arrays, and other concepts.
The emulator abstraction layer I created went on to become RetroArch, which is the most well-known emulation software out there right now.
I think that's about it for a resume, but feel free to ask any additional questions.

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From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 2:26 PM

As an alternative, I own a registered business and I can hire you as my employee for whatever purpose.
Attached is my business article of incorporation. Might be a little tricky to set up but I'm sure it's entirely doable.

> you should expect my answer to be no in general.

All I can do is pray.

[10-17-19 - NM Initial Filing - byuu LLC.pdf]
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 2:51 PM

Honestly thinking more about it, I guess it doesn't matter if you were to renege. I'll send as much as you want at a time, if we went that route. My bank has a transfer limit of 100,000 yen a day so at the very least it will take 4 months to send you everything I have. There's nothing I can do about that.

To clarify a bit more on my professional career, I worked for a Fortune 500 company for 12 years handling EDI orders. I wrote the software that ran our web portals, coded business logic EDI maps to interface with their systems, lots of SOAP/REST/DBA/VM management work.

I'm in Japan because a company here reached out to me to recruit me to reverse engineer hardware. They pay me really well for it so it was hard to say no. I've been at my current job for 3 years now.

I'm not saying I would be some kind of savant for any development tasks you had, but I'm professionally competent and I learn quickly. I'm certain I could be of assistance, or barring that, I could find people who are.

I know a whole lot employees who work at Google, Microsoft, Amazon, etc. Most emulator developers are coding savants and I am on good terms with almost all of them. So I'm confident I could achieve almost anything with favors.
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-27-2021 3:12 AM

I'm sorry but I'm out of time. I presume your lawyer said not to speak to me anyway.

I've posted my dox sans last name to Twitter. I decided against sending it to you directly because I don't want anyone to be able to reach me in time. You can end up with horrific brain damage that way. I have given my passport scan to a trusted friend who will post it anonymously in a few hours, so that you guys can confirm it's legitimate. Look for news in the Arakawa ward of Tokyo in a few days.

I released my last software build under the most permissive license possible.

I've already taken several codiene and intuniv to crash my blood pressure, and now I'm getting myself as drunk as I can. This is really going to suck. But oh well, a few minutes and I'll finally be free of this.

I really would have given you the money, and you really could have saved my life with the smallest gesture of kindness. Justify it however you want, this one is on you. I hope the forum thread is worth it.

I would advise you against posting this e-mail thread as you did pseudo-implicate yourself being willing to consider the idea. But do whatever you want, it doesn't matter. I'm not going to release it on my end.

See you Josh.
From: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
To: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
Date: June-27-2021 12:18 PM

I will not be extorted.

Near’s Suicide Note (Archive)
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Telegram messages sent to Blumiere and Zrcalo minutes before his suicide
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[Message 1]

I can't do this anymore.

I've tried therapy, I've tried every anti-depressant available in Japan, I've erased my entire internet presence back in July. I've tried everything, but nothing works. I can't stop having panic attacks. I can't stop feeling humiliated. I can't stop spending every hour of my life worrying about what your users are going to do next to me or my friends both onsite and off. It's been a three-year nightmare for me.

I know I'm different, but I've tried my best to be a good person. To learn from my mistakes and not repeat them. To help others wherever I could. But I've always been ridiculed for being different. It's been a constant my entire life. It's unbearable.

I can't live like this any more, it has wrecked my entire life. I really can't explain why this hurts me so deeply, and I know it's irrational. I can only tell you that I can't handle this anymore. "byuu" is all I have. I have no real-life friends, no identity off the internet, this is it. There's no other reason for my being but to try and emulate game consoles for people. I put my entire life into this.

So I'll give you the choice.

If you'll take down my thread, I'll offer you my entire life's savings: $120,000 USD, as much of that as you want, however you want it. I'll further offer you my services as a 20-year software engineer, free of charge. I've done my best the past three years to better myself and make changes for every point criticized there. I'm not involved with the fandom or non-binary scene and haven't been for years, I was just desperate to fit in somewhere. My politics are centrist and kept to myself, my social media accounts are all long-gone. You won't hear of me again, I'll just post emulator releases and that's it, absolutely no internet presence otherwise, on my word. And I'll keep going to therapy to try to get past this. This is me just outright begging you with everything I have. Please give me the chance to get through this. You won, a thousand times over already.

If not, then I'll reply with my dox: a scan of my passport, a recent photo, and proof that it's mine, for confirmation. And then I'll hang myself. I live alone, I've tested my setup with a slipknot on a solid climbing rope over a door frame, I've spent weeks doing my research on this, it works. I can nearly pass out with little effort or discomfort, the carotid arteries are easily compressible. A kick stool should be all that's needed. It won't fail, but if it were to, I live on the 14th floor and have a balcony. On my reputation and honor, having had no history of ever threatening this nor of being untruthful in my 20+ years online, I give you my word that I'm serious. You can post this e-mail if you choose. I won't make a big fuss about it online though, don't worry. It doesn't matter anymore.

I really tried to avoid getting to this point, but every day has been worse than the last for too long now. Those two weeks were the only time in the past few years where I felt any happiness at all. So it's up to you. Let me know what you decide please, or if you want anything else from me.

~ byuu

[Message 2]

You're putting me in a very uncomfortable position. The smartest thing
for me to do is simply ignore your email, but I generally try to be nice
to people.

Every word that I say in reply to you will eventually be used against
me. If I help you, I've censored my website and my users may be upset.
If I don't help you, I could be under investigation due to your
actions. Even if my users don't care, accepting money as you've offered
could be a violation of some extortion laws. I will have to consult at
least one of my attorneys regarding the criminality of this issue no
matter what.

Though in follow-up, why does this small discussion thread bother you so
much? If you're in Japan, taking medication, and making enough money to
have $120,000 in liquidity laying around, what does the Kiwi Farms
deprive you of to make it worth that much money or your life? I don't
see anyone on the thread talking about hurting you, so I don't
understand what you mean by "what they'll do next".

[Message 3]

Well, first, thank you for replying.

I understand all of that. I know the risk it places you under. You have my word that none of this leaves here. We can switch to a secure chat like Signal if you want. Username Near: (253) 448-3380.

I know full well about Google's "exploitative removal practices" and the risk it places you on.
I can send it via anonymized Bitcoin. I have zero intention to do anything to undo this if I were to send you money. Feel free to consult with an attorney if you want, I'll sign a legally binding agreement with my legal name that it's not in any way tied to anything that could get you in trouble. I'm a US citizen as well.

As best I can tell, I have RSD as a result of ADHD, particularly bad.

I really can't tell you why it makes me so miserable. I don't understand it either.
I've been to so many therapists, watched every video, talked to so many people, it just doesn't help.

When the thread went up in May 2018 it was a little humiliating at first but nothing major.
But then people started showing up in servers I was in accusing me of pedophilia. It's difficult to be called something so horrendous. But still, I just ignored it completely. In February 2020, someone claiming to be from your site posted a dox list on Pastebin of several of my friends to 4chan's /emugen/ board. I lost one of my best online friends of ten years to that. https://twitter.com/talarubi if you must know. Yes yes I know, trans furry etc. I doubt you'd sympathize but the relationship meant a lot to me. She got so upset by having her personal information revealed that she blamed me and we haven't spoken since. In July 2020, Basil and Retrocrab on your board were trying to make a thread on another emulator developer, Arisotura, because of me, while she was suicidal. I know, again, trans, again, I don't expect you to care about these people. But they were my friends and they spent years helping me with my software. And then when Jacob, the dumbass that he was, tried to help me, he got on your bad side and someone named Ritter doxed him in January 2021. I haven't heard from him since either and I don't even know if he's okay or not. He's not my friend, but, I didn't want this to happen to him.

None of this ever happened to me before. People didn't target other people like this because of my actions.

I've always internalized the blame for the actions of others. I feel responsible for this. Every day I wonder when it's going to start up again, who they're going to bother next. If they're going to get my dox. If they're going to harass my employer. If they're going to convince others I'm attracted to kids or animals or whatever other horrifically disgusting things they think is funny to say. It's not, man. I'm a real person.

Call me out on what I did, I'll own that. I owned it on your site in February 2020. I know I'm weird, pathetic, and so on. But I don't deserve this. I don't know if you realize this or not, but your users go after us offsite when they want to provoke reactions out of us. It's not just the thread. People A-log all the time. I have quite a few and that site is like their vindication and validation that I am a deserving target of this.

The money doesn't mean anything to me. It doesn't make me happy. I can't take it with me so I may as well offer it first as a last resort.

[Message 4]

The only SSRI to do anything was Zoloft, but it caused me really terrible tinnitus and I can't take it.
The rest of it does nothing. Nortriptyline, Lexapro, Mirtazapine, Anafranil, Intuniv, it helped a little, but it doesn't do anything anymore. I also have OCD and I think that it makes me obsess over things like this. I can't stop myself from thinking about it and worrying about the "what ifs."

[Message 5]

You realize I can only control what's on the site, right? I can't
control archives, pastbins, doxbin, etc.



What would you do if the thread was removed but then it was simply
restored on a different site (i.e. Encyclopedia Dramatica or one of the
competitors to the forum)? That's not unlikely.

[Message 6]

I know that. And I know I can't touch Denis' archive.is stuff. I'm hopeful it's obscure enough to be forgotten.

I don't know what else to do. I'm out of ideas and hope. It's a risk. If it happens, it happens, and I'll have to consider what to do then.

I completely deleted my entire social media internet presence a year ago, so I am desperately hoping people will forget about me and move on.

I never wanted any of this online "fame" or attention. I just wanted to release my software and it kind of grew out of control. By the time I realized the negative consequences it was too late to put that genie back in the bottle. All I can do is stay off the internet as much as possible and hope they grow bored.

Well, here. Do with this as you will. I want to hold off on the name before you decide because I don't want to risk being interrupted. If I do this I won't disclose it and I'll delete this e-mail. I don't want to be remembered that way anyway. It's not going to bring me any comfort to bother anyone else at this point. I just need this to stop.

[Message 7]

Also, your site has a reach that none of those other places can ever get even close to.

You really have the #1 website on the entire internet for this sort of thing.

[Message 8]

I dunno homie, I have to contact a lawyer about the suicide threat
anyways but you should expect my answer to be no in general.

- It sets a bad precedent.
- The money isn't worth dealing with the fallout if problems come up.
- I'd feel bad taking your entire savings.
- There's probably legal issues in accepting it anyways.
- How do I even report this income? Am I going to get a 1099-NEC?

Be realistic; my hands are tied.

The pros is basically that I have a down-payment on a house I'm looking
for, but that's something I'd get anyways just working hard on keeping
the community going and growing my podcast -- especially if crypto ever
goes back up. I'm really not that materialistic, and I fear the wrath
of God (Mark 8:36).

I feel like you're being genuine. There's a fear here that you're just
trying to prank me to show people "look, Josh just wants money", but
it's one of the small subsets of concerns at play here.

So hear me out: Send me your resume, I'll make you a counter offer.

[Message 9]

It is absolutely not in my best interest to ever tell anyone about this for any reason. It exposes me to the fact that I've funded your site, which would instantly eviscerate my own reputation in my circles. It may put me at legal risk in the event your site ever does get in legal trouble. And it risks a Streisand effect if people find out we did this and then they'll want their money from mirroring the content elsewhere. In no way is it a good idea for me to ever, ever speak of this to another person. Frankly, just me offering this already puts me at risk. If you were to just drop this e-mail you could wreck my reputation instantly. I only sent this e-mail because I am for real serious. If it helps you with sincerity, proof it's my rope.

As far as precedent, it's your site so you could claim any reason you want, or just not say anything. It's up to you.

You certainly don't *have* to take all of the money, or any of it. But I'll give you whatever you want. I get something out of it so there's no reason for you to feel bad. Take what you're comfortable taking.
You would have to claim it as either 1099-NEC or Form 1040 (capital gains) to steer clear of the IRS, yes.
I have a US lawyer as well who I could have talk with your lawer. Brandon Huffman from Odin Law. Obviously I have not said anything to him about this, but in general I trust him with anything and he could help us work this out.

I can send you money any way you like. Bitcoin, Paypal, bank transfer, you name it, I'll figure it out.
The one thing I just want to say upfront is that if we do this, I would like to send it in increments. Say $1000 a month or so. Would that be agreeable? There's the risk to me if I send you the entire thing and then you keep the thread anyway. Understandably we're both a bit suspicious of one another, but I want to be straight with you.

Tell me how I can ease your concerns and I will do so.

Tell me how I can demonstrate my sincerity and I will do so.

I'm not really materialistic either. Money doesn't bring happiness.

I don't really have a resume put together but in general:

I've been employed professionally as a software engineer since 2004. I've been programming since I was 14.
I'm an expert with C, C++, PHP, SQL, etc.
The emulators I've written were bsnes, higan, and ares.
I've emulated every game system from the NES to the N64/PlayStation. Software is here: https://ares.dev/
The website runs my own HTTP server (underneath nginx for HTTPS.)
higan is notable enough for Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higan_(emulator)
I'm an expert reverse engineer: I contributed to emulating Stephen Hawking's voice machine onto a Raspberry Pi. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea...Valley-quest-to-preserve-Stephen-12759775.php (search "higan") or http://web.archive.org/web/20180829151131/http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-computer.html (search "byuu")
I'm good with algorithms and have implemented things like elliptic curve cryptography (Ed25519), Reed-Solomon error correction, Diffie-Hellman key exchange, induced sorting via suffix arrays, and other concepts.
The emulator abstraction layer I created went on to become RetroArch, which is the most well-known emulation software out there right now.
I think that's about it for a resume, but feel free to ask any additional questions.

[Message 10]

As an alternative, I own a registered business and I can hire you as my employee for whatever purpose.
Attached is my business article of incorporation. Might be a little tricky to set up but I'm sure it's entirely doable.

> you should expect my answer to be no in general.

All I can do is pray.

[Message 11]

Honestly thinking more about it, I guess it doesn't matter if you were to renege. I'll send as much as you want at a time, if we went that route. My bank has a transfer limit of 100,000 yen a day so at the very least it will take 4 months to send you everything I have. There's nothing I can do about that.

To clarify a bit more on my professional career, I worked for a Fortune 500 company for 12 years handling EDI orders. I wrote the software that ran our web portals, coded business logic EDI maps to interface with their systems, lots of SOAP/REST/DBA/VM management work.

I'm in Japan because a company here reached out to me to recruit me to reverse engineer hardware. They pay me really well for it so it was hard to say no. I've been at my current job for 3 years now.

I'm not saying I would be some kind of savant for any development tasks you had, but I'm professionally competent and I learn quickly. I'm certain I could be of assistance, or barring that, I could find people who are.

I know a whole lot employees who work at Google, Microsoft, Amazon, etc. Most emulator developers are coding savants and I am on good terms with almost all of them. So I'm confident I could achieve almost anything with favors.

Death records
Japanese death records for June 2021 indicate two United States citizens died that month, contrary to popular kiwi farms claims (link)
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Photo of Near’s urn
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I believe that Jewsh accepting the shekels wouldn't have made a difference honestly. It would've triggered a Streisand effect where a 13 page thread would suddenly become very notable because of it missing. And Byuu would've been even more harassed as the conspiracy theories would go rampant. I feel like Byuu's suicide would've been a matter of "when" and not "if".

Byuu's strain of ADHD does actually explain how he was so upset over a mere 13 page thread that few even cared about, while Keffals just keeps going on about life more or less despite having a much, much bigger and hateful thread. Hell, most of the later posts about Byuu were quite ambivalent, with some still praising his genuinely impressive work and concluding that his problems stem from a wider toxicity of the emulator dev community. Some have even concluded that the thread was a personal army attempt by CIA Nigger, who got banned not long after.

I am a member of a retro gaming and emulation adjacent Discord and can say that the higher ups there are quite odd to say the least. The supreme janny is super confrontational and has quite a big ego. You're not allowed to criticize moderation actions according to the rules.

As far as Kiwis harassing him and his friends is concerned, anyone could claim they're from anywhere. Byuu should've shared the screenshots of the harassment conversations. He's been involved in drama before Kiwifarms even existed! For all we know, it could've been a false flag operation by someone from /pol/. If I feel like someone is harassing me online, I make sure to screenshot it.

My biggest concern is...why didn't nobody of his friends (or even Jewsh, actually) seemingly take any efforts into contacting the authorities about his imminent actions or find contacts of contacts that might know where he lives so that the authorities could check up on him? 4chan doxxed people with far less information!
 

Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt

Owner
I'm your friendly neighborhood skinwalker
I believe that Jewsh accepting the shekels wouldn't have made a difference honestly. It would've triggered a Streisand effect where a 13 page thread would suddenly become very notable because of it missing. And Byuu would've been even more harassed as the conspiracy theories would go rampant. I feel like Byuu's suicide would've been a matter of "when" and not "if".

Byuu's strain of ADHD does actually explain how he was so upset over a mere 13 page thread that few even cared about, while Keffals just keeps going on about life more or less despite having a much, much bigger and hateful thread. Hell, most of the later posts about Byuu were quite ambivalent, with some still praising his genuinely impressive work and concluding that his problems stem from a wider toxicity of the emulator dev community. Some have even concluded that the thread was a personal army attempt by CIA Nigger, who got banned not long after.

I am a member of a retro gaming and emulation adjacent Discord and can say that the higher ups there are quite odd to say the least. The supreme janny is super confrontational and has quite a big ego. You're not allowed to criticize moderation actions according to the rules.

As far as Kiwis harassing him and his friends is concerned, anyone could claim they're from anywhere. Byuu should've shared the screenshots of the harassment conversations. He's been involved in drama before Kiwifarms even existed! For all we know, it could've been a false flag operation by someone from /pol/. If I feel like someone is harassing me online, I make sure to screenshot it.

My biggest concern is...why didn't nobody of his friends (or even Jewsh, actually) seemingly take any efforts into contacting the authorities about his imminent actions or find contacts of contacts that might know where he lives so that the authorities could check up on him? 4chan doxxed people with far less information!
ADHD might have been some of it. But part of it may have been that Keffals is more of a public figure and more accustomed to being in the public spotlight. Byuu on the other hand was not.
 

Boobie Bomb

Hellovan Onion
The suicide of Near / Byuu is a major talking point against the farms, which Famers thoroughly deny. In this thread I will be documenting the suicide of Near.

The Suicide of David Kirk Ginder

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Email exchange between Null and Near
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
Date: June-26-2021 12:59 PM

I can't do this anymore.

I've tried therapy, I've tried every anti-depressant available in Japan, I've erased my entire internet presence back in July. I've tried everything, but nothing works. I can't stop having panic attacks. I can't stop feeling humiliated. I can't stop spending every hour of my life worrying about what your users are going to do next to me or my friends both onsite and off. It's been a three-year nightmare for me.

I know I'm different, but I've tried my best to be a good person. To learn from my mistakes and not repeat them. To help others wherever I could. But I've always been ridiculed for being different. It's been a constant my entire life. It's unbearable.

I can't live like this any more, it has wrecked my entire life. I really can't explain why this hurts me so deeply, and I know it's irrational. I can only tell you that I can't handle this anymore. "byuu" is all I have. I have no real-life friends, no identity off the internet, this is it. There's no other reason for my being but to try and emulate game consoles for people. I put my entire life into this.

So I'll give you the choice.

If you'll take down my thread, I'll offer you my entire life's savings: $120,000 USD, as much of that as you want, however you want it. I'll further offer you my services as a 20-year software engineer, free of charge. I've done my best the past three years to better myself and make changes for every point criticized there. I'm not involved with the fandom or non-binary scene and haven't been for years, I was just desperate to fit in somewhere. My politics are centrist and kept to myself, my social media accounts are all long-gone. You won't hear of me again, I'll just post emulator releases and that's it, absolutely no internet presence otherwise, on my word. And I'll keep going to therapy to try to get past this. This is me just outright begging you with everything I have. Please give me the chance to get through this. You won, a thousand times over already.

If not, then I'll reply with my dox: a scan of my passport, a recent photo, and proof that it's mine, for confirmation. And then I'll hang myself. I live alone, I've tested my setup with a slipknot on a solid climbing rope over a door frame, I've spent weeks doing my research on this, it works. I can nearly pass out with little effort or discomfort, the carotid arteries are easily compressible. A kick stool should be all that's needed. It won't fail, but if it were to, I live on the 14th floor and have a balcony. On my reputation and honor, having had no history of ever threatening this nor of being untruthful in my 20+ years online, I give you my word that I'm serious. You can post this e-mail if you choose. I won't make a big fuss about it online though, don't worry. It doesn't matter anymore.

I really tried to avoid getting to this point, but every day has been worse than the last for too long now. Those two weeks were the only time in the past few years where I felt any happiness at all. So it's up to you. Let me know what you decide please, or if you want anything else from me.

~ byuu

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From: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
To: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
Date: June-26-2021 1:10 PM

You're putting me in a very uncomfortable position. The smartest thing for me to do is simply ignore your email, but I generally try to be nice to people.

Every word that I say in reply to you will eventually be used against me. If I help you, I've censored my website and my users may be upset. If I don't help you, I could be under investigation due to your actions. Even if my users don't care, accepting money as you've offered could be a violation of some extortion laws. I will have to consult at least one of my attorneys regarding the criminality of this issue no matter what.

Though in follow-up, why does this small discussion thread bother you so much? If you're in Japan, taking medication, and making enough money to have $120,000 in liquidity laying around, what does the Kiwi Farms deprive you of to make it worth that much money or your life? I don't see anyone on the thread talking about hurting you, so I don't understand what you mean by "what they'll do next".
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 1:25 PM

Well, first, thank you for replying.

I understand all of that. I know the risk it places you under. You have my word that none of this leaves here. We can switch to a secure chat like Signal if you want. Username Near: [redacted].

I know full well about Google's "exploitative removal practices" and the risk it places you on.
I can send it via anonymized Bitcoin. I have zero intention to do anything to undo this if I were to send you money. Feel free to consult with an attorney if you want, I'll sign a legally binding agreement with my legal name that it's not in any way tied to anything that could get you in trouble. I'm a US citizen as well.

As best I can tell, I have RSD as a result of ADHD, particularly bad.
https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-and-adhd/

I really can't tell you why it makes me so miserable. I don't understand it either.
I've been to so many therapists, watched every video, talked to so many people, it just doesn't help.

When the thread went up in May 2018 it was a little humiliating at first but nothing major.
But then people started showing up in servers I was in accusing me of pedophilia. It's difficult to be called something so horrendous. But still, I just ignored it completely. In February 2020, someone claiming to be from your site posted a dox list on Pastebin of several of my friends to 4chan's /emugen/ board. I lost one of my best online friends of ten years to that. https://twitter.com/talarubi if you must know. Yes yes I know, trans furry etc. I doubt you'd sympathize but the relationship meant a lot to me. She got so upset by having her personal information revealed that she blamed me and we haven't spoken since. In July 2020, Basil and Retrocrab on your board were trying to make a thread on another emulator developer, Arisotura, because of me, while she was suicidal. I know, again, trans, again, I don't expect you to care about these people. But they were my friends and they spent years helping me with my software. And then when Jacob, the dumbass that he was, tried to help me, he got on your bad side and someone named Ritter doxed him in January 2021. I haven't heard from him since either and I don't even know if he's okay or not. He's not my friend, but, I didn't want this to happen to him.

None of this ever happened to me before. People didn't target other people like this because of my actions.

I've always internalized the blame for the actions of others. I feel responsible for this. Every day I wonder when it's going to start up again, who they're going to bother next. If they're going to get my dox. If they're going to harass my employer. If they're going to convince others I'm attracted to kids or animals or whatever other horrifically disgusting things they think is funny to say. It's not, man. I'm a real person.

Call me out on what I did, I'll own that. I owned it on your site in February 2020. I know I'm weird, pathetic, and so on. But I don't deserve this. I don't know if you realize this or not, but your users go after us offsite when they want to provoke reactions out of us. It's not just the thread. People A-log all the time. I have quite a few and that site is like their vindication and validation that I am a deserving target of this.


The money doesn't mean anything to me. It doesn't make me happy. I can't take it with me so I may as well offer it first as a last resort.
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 1:27 PM

The only SSRI to do anything was Zoloft, but it caused me really terrible tinnitus and I can't take it.
The rest of it does nothing. Nortriptyline, Lexapro, Mirtazapine, Anafranil, Intuniv, it helped a little, but it doesn't do anything anymore. I also have OCD and I think that it makes me obsess over things like this. I can't stop myself from thinking about it and worrying about the "what ifs."
From: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
To: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
Date: June-26-2021 1:35 PM

You realize I can only control what's on the site, right? I can't control archives, pastbins, doxbin, etc.

https://web.archive.org/web/2020*/https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/

https://archive.md/https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/*

What would you do if the thread was removed but then it was simply restored on a different site (i.e. Encyclopedia Dramatica or one of the competitors to the forum)? That's not unlikely.
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 1:46 PM

I know that. And I know I can't touch Denis' archive.is stuff. I'm hopeful it's obscure enough to be forgotten.

I don't know what else to do. I'm out of ideas and hope. It's a risk. If it happens, it happens, and I'll have to consider what to do then.

I completely deleted my entire social media internet presence a year ago, so I am desperately hoping people will forget about me and move on.

I never wanted any of this online "fame" or attention. I just wanted to release my software and it kind of grew out of control. By the time I realized the negative consequences it was too late to put that genie back in the bottle. All I can do is stay off the internet as much as possible and hope they grow bored.

Well, here. Do with this as you will. I want to hold off on the name before you decide because I don't want to risk being interrupted. If I do this I won't disclose it and I'll delete this e-mail. I don't want to be remembered that way anyway. It's not going to bring me any comfort to bother anyone else at this point. I just need this to stop.

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From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 1:48 PM

Also, your site has a reach that none of those other places can ever get even close to.

You really have the #1 website on the entire internet for this sort of thing.
From: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
To: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
Date: June-26-2021 2:04 PM

I dunno homie, I have to contact a lawyer about the suicide threat anyways but you should expect my answer to be no in general.

- It sets a bad precedent.
- The money isn't worth dealing with the fallout if problems come up.
- I'd feel bad taking your entire savings.
- There's probably legal issues in accepting it anyways.
- How do I even report this income? Am I going to get a 1099-NEC?

Be realistic; my hands are tied.

The pros is basically that I have a down-payment on a house I'm looking for, but that's something I'd get anyways just working hard on keeping the community going and growing my podcast -- especially if crypto ever goes back up. I'm really not that materialistic, and I fear the wrath of God (Mark 8:36).

I feel like you're being genuine. There's a fear here that you're just trying to prank me to show people "look, Josh just wants money", but it's one of the small subsets of concerns at play here.

So hear me out: Send me your resume, I'll make you a counter offer.
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 2:23 PM

It is absolutely not in my best interest to ever tell anyone about this for any reason. It exposes me to the fact that I've funded your site, which would instantly eviscerate my own reputation in my circles. It may put me at legal risk in the event your site ever does get in legal trouble. And it risks a Streisand effect if people find out we did this and then they'll want their money from mirroring the content elsewhere. In no way is it a good idea for me to ever, ever speak of this to another person. Frankly, just me offering this already puts me at risk. If you were to just drop this e-mail you could wreck my reputation instantly. I only sent this e-mail because I am for real serious. If it helps you with sincerity, proof it's my rope.

As far as precedent, it's your site so you could claim any reason you want, or just not say anything. It's up to you.

You certainly don't *have* to take all of the money, or any of it. But I'll give you whatever you want. I get something out of it so there's no reason for you to feel bad. Take what you're comfortable taking.
You would have to claim it as either 1099-NEC or Form 1040 (capital gains) to steer clear of the IRS, yes.
I have a US lawyer as well who I could have talk with your lawer. Brandon Huffman from Odin Law. Obviously I have not said anything to him about this, but in general I trust him with anything and he could help us work this out.

I can send you money any way you like. Bitcoin, Paypal, bank transfer, you name it, I'll figure it out.
The one thing I just want to say upfront is that if we do this, I would like to send it in increments. Say $1000 a month or so. Would that be agreeable? There's the risk to me if I send you the entire thing and then you keep the thread anyway. Understandably we're both a bit suspicious of one another, but I want to be straight with you.

Tell me how I can ease your concerns and I will do so.

Tell me how I can demonstrate my sincerity and I will do so.

I'm not really materialistic either. Money doesn't bring happiness.

I don't really have a resume put together but in general:

I've been employed professionally as a software engineer since 2004. I've been programming since I was 14.
I'm an expert with C, C++, PHP, SQL, etc.
The emulators I've written were bsnes, higan, and ares.
I've emulated every game system from the NES to the N64/PlayStation. Software is here: https://ares.dev/
The website runs my own HTTP server (underneath nginx for HTTPS.)
higan is notable enough for Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higan_(emulator)
I'm an expert reverse engineer: I contributed to emulating Stephen Hawking's voice machine onto a Raspberry Pi. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea...Valley-quest-to-preserve-Stephen-12759775.php(search "higan") or http://web.archive.org/web/20180829151131/http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-computer.html(search "byuu")
I'm good with algorithms and have implemented things like elliptic curve cryptography (Ed25519), Reed-Solomon error correction, Diffie-Hellman key exchange, induced sorting via suffix arrays, and other concepts.
The emulator abstraction layer I created went on to become RetroArch, which is the most well-known emulation software out there right now.
I think that's about it for a resume, but feel free to ask any additional questions.

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From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 2:26 PM

As an alternative, I own a registered business and I can hire you as my employee for whatever purpose.
Attached is my business article of incorporation. Might be a little tricky to set up but I'm sure it's entirely doable.

> you should expect my answer to be no in general.

All I can do is pray.

[10-17-19 - NM Initial Filing - byuu LLC.pdf]
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 2:51 PM

Honestly thinking more about it, I guess it doesn't matter if you were to renege. I'll send as much as you want at a time, if we went that route. My bank has a transfer limit of 100,000 yen a day so at the very least it will take 4 months to send you everything I have. There's nothing I can do about that.

To clarify a bit more on my professional career, I worked for a Fortune 500 company for 12 years handling EDI orders. I wrote the software that ran our web portals, coded business logic EDI maps to interface with their systems, lots of SOAP/REST/DBA/VM management work.

I'm in Japan because a company here reached out to me to recruit me to reverse engineer hardware. They pay me really well for it so it was hard to say no. I've been at my current job for 3 years now.

I'm not saying I would be some kind of savant for any development tasks you had, but I'm professionally competent and I learn quickly. I'm certain I could be of assistance, or barring that, I could find people who are.

I know a whole lot employees who work at Google, Microsoft, Amazon, etc. Most emulator developers are coding savants and I am on good terms with almost all of them. So I'm confident I could achieve almost anything with favors.
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-27-2021 3:12 AM

I'm sorry but I'm out of time. I presume your lawyer said not to speak to me anyway.

I've posted my dox sans last name to Twitter. I decided against sending it to you directly because I don't want anyone to be able to reach me in time. You can end up with horrific brain damage that way. I have given my passport scan to a trusted friend who will post it anonymously in a few hours, so that you guys can confirm it's legitimate. Look for news in the Arakawa ward of Tokyo in a few days.

I released my last software build under the most permissive license possible.

I've already taken several codiene and intuniv to crash my blood pressure, and now I'm getting myself as drunk as I can. This is really going to suck. But oh well, a few minutes and I'll finally be free of this.

I really would have given you the money, and you really could have saved my life with the smallest gesture of kindness. Justify it however you want, this one is on you. I hope the forum thread is worth it.

I would advise you against posting this e-mail thread as you did pseudo-implicate yourself being willing to consider the idea. But do whatever you want, it doesn't matter. I'm not going to release it on my end.

See you Josh.
From: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
To: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
Date: June-27-2021 12:18 PM

I will not be extorted.

Near’s Suicide Note (Archive)
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Telegram messages sent to Blumiere and Zrcalo minutes before his suicide
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[Message 1]

I can't do this anymore.

I've tried therapy, I've tried every anti-depressant available in Japan, I've erased my entire internet presence back in July. I've tried everything, but nothing works. I can't stop having panic attacks. I can't stop feeling humiliated. I can't stop spending every hour of my life worrying about what your users are going to do next to me or my friends both onsite and off. It's been a three-year nightmare for me.

I know I'm different, but I've tried my best to be a good person. To learn from my mistakes and not repeat them. To help others wherever I could. But I've always been ridiculed for being different. It's been a constant my entire life. It's unbearable.

I can't live like this any more, it has wrecked my entire life. I really can't explain why this hurts me so deeply, and I know it's irrational. I can only tell you that I can't handle this anymore. "byuu" is all I have. I have no real-life friends, no identity off the internet, this is it. There's no other reason for my being but to try and emulate game consoles for people. I put my entire life into this.

So I'll give you the choice.

If you'll take down my thread, I'll offer you my entire life's savings: $120,000 USD, as much of that as you want, however you want it. I'll further offer you my services as a 20-year software engineer, free of charge. I've done my best the past three years to better myself and make changes for every point criticized there. I'm not involved with the fandom or non-binary scene and haven't been for years, I was just desperate to fit in somewhere. My politics are centrist and kept to myself, my social media accounts are all long-gone. You won't hear of me again, I'll just post emulator releases and that's it, absolutely no internet presence otherwise, on my word. And I'll keep going to therapy to try to get past this. This is me just outright begging you with everything I have. Please give me the chance to get through this. You won, a thousand times over already.

If not, then I'll reply with my dox: a scan of my passport, a recent photo, and proof that it's mine, for confirmation. And then I'll hang myself. I live alone, I've tested my setup with a slipknot on a solid climbing rope over a door frame, I've spent weeks doing my research on this, it works. I can nearly pass out with little effort or discomfort, the carotid arteries are easily compressible. A kick stool should be all that's needed. It won't fail, but if it were to, I live on the 14th floor and have a balcony. On my reputation and honor, having had no history of ever threatening this nor of being untruthful in my 20+ years online, I give you my word that I'm serious. You can post this e-mail if you choose. I won't make a big fuss about it online though, don't worry. It doesn't matter anymore.

I really tried to avoid getting to this point, but every day has been worse than the last for too long now. Those two weeks were the only time in the past few years where I felt any happiness at all. So it's up to you. Let me know what you decide please, or if you want anything else from me.

~ byuu

[Message 2]

You're putting me in a very uncomfortable position. The smartest thing
for me to do is simply ignore your email, but I generally try to be nice
to people.

Every word that I say in reply to you will eventually be used against
me. If I help you, I've censored my website and my users may be upset.
If I don't help you, I could be under investigation due to your
actions. Even if my users don't care, accepting money as you've offered
could be a violation of some extortion laws. I will have to consult at
least one of my attorneys regarding the criminality of this issue no
matter what.

Though in follow-up, why does this small discussion thread bother you so
much? If you're in Japan, taking medication, and making enough money to
have $120,000 in liquidity laying around, what does the Kiwi Farms
deprive you of to make it worth that much money or your life? I don't
see anyone on the thread talking about hurting you, so I don't
understand what you mean by "what they'll do next".

[Message 3]

Well, first, thank you for replying.

I understand all of that. I know the risk it places you under. You have my word that none of this leaves here. We can switch to a secure chat like Signal if you want. Username Near: (253) 448-3380.

I know full well about Google's "exploitative removal practices" and the risk it places you on.
I can send it via anonymized Bitcoin. I have zero intention to do anything to undo this if I were to send you money. Feel free to consult with an attorney if you want, I'll sign a legally binding agreement with my legal name that it's not in any way tied to anything that could get you in trouble. I'm a US citizen as well.

As best I can tell, I have RSD as a result of ADHD, particularly bad.

I really can't tell you why it makes me so miserable. I don't understand it either.
I've been to so many therapists, watched every video, talked to so many people, it just doesn't help.

When the thread went up in May 2018 it was a little humiliating at first but nothing major.
But then people started showing up in servers I was in accusing me of pedophilia. It's difficult to be called something so horrendous. But still, I just ignored it completely. In February 2020, someone claiming to be from your site posted a dox list on Pastebin of several of my friends to 4chan's /emugen/ board. I lost one of my best online friends of ten years to that. https://twitter.com/talarubi if you must know. Yes yes I know, trans furry etc. I doubt you'd sympathize but the relationship meant a lot to me. She got so upset by having her personal information revealed that she blamed me and we haven't spoken since. In July 2020, Basil and Retrocrab on your board were trying to make a thread on another emulator developer, Arisotura, because of me, while she was suicidal. I know, again, trans, again, I don't expect you to care about these people. But they were my friends and they spent years helping me with my software. And then when Jacob, the dumbass that he was, tried to help me, he got on your bad side and someone named Ritter doxed him in January 2021. I haven't heard from him since either and I don't even know if he's okay or not. He's not my friend, but, I didn't want this to happen to him.

None of this ever happened to me before. People didn't target other people like this because of my actions.

I've always internalized the blame for the actions of others. I feel responsible for this. Every day I wonder when it's going to start up again, who they're going to bother next. If they're going to get my dox. If they're going to harass my employer. If they're going to convince others I'm attracted to kids or animals or whatever other horrifically disgusting things they think is funny to say. It's not, man. I'm a real person.

Call me out on what I did, I'll own that. I owned it on your site in February 2020. I know I'm weird, pathetic, and so on. But I don't deserve this. I don't know if you realize this or not, but your users go after us offsite when they want to provoke reactions out of us. It's not just the thread. People A-log all the time. I have quite a few and that site is like their vindication and validation that I am a deserving target of this.

The money doesn't mean anything to me. It doesn't make me happy. I can't take it with me so I may as well offer it first as a last resort.

[Message 4]

The only SSRI to do anything was Zoloft, but it caused me really terrible tinnitus and I can't take it.
The rest of it does nothing. Nortriptyline, Lexapro, Mirtazapine, Anafranil, Intuniv, it helped a little, but it doesn't do anything anymore. I also have OCD and I think that it makes me obsess over things like this. I can't stop myself from thinking about it and worrying about the "what ifs."

[Message 5]

You realize I can only control what's on the site, right? I can't
control archives, pastbins, doxbin, etc.



What would you do if the thread was removed but then it was simply
restored on a different site (i.e. Encyclopedia Dramatica or one of the
competitors to the forum)? That's not unlikely.

[Message 6]

I know that. And I know I can't touch Denis' archive.is stuff. I'm hopeful it's obscure enough to be forgotten.

I don't know what else to do. I'm out of ideas and hope. It's a risk. If it happens, it happens, and I'll have to consider what to do then.

I completely deleted my entire social media internet presence a year ago, so I am desperately hoping people will forget about me and move on.

I never wanted any of this online "fame" or attention. I just wanted to release my software and it kind of grew out of control. By the time I realized the negative consequences it was too late to put that genie back in the bottle. All I can do is stay off the internet as much as possible and hope they grow bored.

Well, here. Do with this as you will. I want to hold off on the name before you decide because I don't want to risk being interrupted. If I do this I won't disclose it and I'll delete this e-mail. I don't want to be remembered that way anyway. It's not going to bring me any comfort to bother anyone else at this point. I just need this to stop.

[Message 7]

Also, your site has a reach that none of those other places can ever get even close to.

You really have the #1 website on the entire internet for this sort of thing.

[Message 8]

I dunno homie, I have to contact a lawyer about the suicide threat
anyways but you should expect my answer to be no in general.

- It sets a bad precedent.
- The money isn't worth dealing with the fallout if problems come up.
- I'd feel bad taking your entire savings.
- There's probably legal issues in accepting it anyways.
- How do I even report this income? Am I going to get a 1099-NEC?

Be realistic; my hands are tied.

The pros is basically that I have a down-payment on a house I'm looking
for, but that's something I'd get anyways just working hard on keeping
the community going and growing my podcast -- especially if crypto ever
goes back up. I'm really not that materialistic, and I fear the wrath
of God (Mark 8:36).

I feel like you're being genuine. There's a fear here that you're just
trying to prank me to show people "look, Josh just wants money", but
it's one of the small subsets of concerns at play here.

So hear me out: Send me your resume, I'll make you a counter offer.

[Message 9]

It is absolutely not in my best interest to ever tell anyone about this for any reason. It exposes me to the fact that I've funded your site, which would instantly eviscerate my own reputation in my circles. It may put me at legal risk in the event your site ever does get in legal trouble. And it risks a Streisand effect if people find out we did this and then they'll want their money from mirroring the content elsewhere. In no way is it a good idea for me to ever, ever speak of this to another person. Frankly, just me offering this already puts me at risk. If you were to just drop this e-mail you could wreck my reputation instantly. I only sent this e-mail because I am for real serious. If it helps you with sincerity, proof it's my rope.

As far as precedent, it's your site so you could claim any reason you want, or just not say anything. It's up to you.

You certainly don't *have* to take all of the money, or any of it. But I'll give you whatever you want. I get something out of it so there's no reason for you to feel bad. Take what you're comfortable taking.
You would have to claim it as either 1099-NEC or Form 1040 (capital gains) to steer clear of the IRS, yes.
I have a US lawyer as well who I could have talk with your lawer. Brandon Huffman from Odin Law. Obviously I have not said anything to him about this, but in general I trust him with anything and he could help us work this out.

I can send you money any way you like. Bitcoin, Paypal, bank transfer, you name it, I'll figure it out.
The one thing I just want to say upfront is that if we do this, I would like to send it in increments. Say $1000 a month or so. Would that be agreeable? There's the risk to me if I send you the entire thing and then you keep the thread anyway. Understandably we're both a bit suspicious of one another, but I want to be straight with you.

Tell me how I can ease your concerns and I will do so.

Tell me how I can demonstrate my sincerity and I will do so.

I'm not really materialistic either. Money doesn't bring happiness.

I don't really have a resume put together but in general:

I've been employed professionally as a software engineer since 2004. I've been programming since I was 14.
I'm an expert with C, C++, PHP, SQL, etc.
The emulators I've written were bsnes, higan, and ares.
I've emulated every game system from the NES to the N64/PlayStation. Software is here: https://ares.dev/
The website runs my own HTTP server (underneath nginx for HTTPS.)
higan is notable enough for Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higan_(emulator)
I'm an expert reverse engineer: I contributed to emulating Stephen Hawking's voice machine onto a Raspberry Pi. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea...Valley-quest-to-preserve-Stephen-12759775.php (search "higan") or http://web.archive.org/web/20180829151131/http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-computer.html (search "byuu")
I'm good with algorithms and have implemented things like elliptic curve cryptography (Ed25519), Reed-Solomon error correction, Diffie-Hellman key exchange, induced sorting via suffix arrays, and other concepts.
The emulator abstraction layer I created went on to become RetroArch, which is the most well-known emulation software out there right now.
I think that's about it for a resume, but feel free to ask any additional questions.

[Message 10]

As an alternative, I own a registered business and I can hire you as my employee for whatever purpose.
Attached is my business article of incorporation. Might be a little tricky to set up but I'm sure it's entirely doable.

> you should expect my answer to be no in general.

All I can do is pray.

[Message 11]

Honestly thinking more about it, I guess it doesn't matter if you were to renege. I'll send as much as you want at a time, if we went that route. My bank has a transfer limit of 100,000 yen a day so at the very least it will take 4 months to send you everything I have. There's nothing I can do about that.

To clarify a bit more on my professional career, I worked for a Fortune 500 company for 12 years handling EDI orders. I wrote the software that ran our web portals, coded business logic EDI maps to interface with their systems, lots of SOAP/REST/DBA/VM management work.

I'm in Japan because a company here reached out to me to recruit me to reverse engineer hardware. They pay me really well for it so it was hard to say no. I've been at my current job for 3 years now.

I'm not saying I would be some kind of savant for any development tasks you had, but I'm professionally competent and I learn quickly. I'm certain I could be of assistance, or barring that, I could find people who are.

I know a whole lot employees who work at Google, Microsoft, Amazon, etc. Most emulator developers are coding savants and I am on good terms with almost all of them. So I'm confident I could achieve almost anything with favors.

Death records
Japanese death records for June 2021 indicate two United States citizens died that month, contrary to popular kiwi farms claims (link)
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Photo of Near’s urn
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So the dude really did commit suicide. Null needs to be sued for this death. I’m shocked the family of Byuu didn’t plan a lawsuit on the site. Is it because Null claims he is NOT in America for the 9000th times?
 

Crimson Fucker

Ţepeş
Hellovan Onion
Who were the ones saying he didn't kill himself? Should we tag them here? I vaugly remember some people denying it happened or said there was no proof or something.
 

Crimson Fucker

Ţepeş
Hellovan Onion
It was this thread. @James Rustle is already here checking the receipts but idk if @Pico De Guillotines still uses the site. Might as well tag @Cowherd too since he was in the thread talking about it.
 

Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt

Owner
I'm your friendly neighborhood skinwalker
Who were the ones saying he didn't kill himself? Should we tag them here? I vaugly remember some people denying it happened or said there was no proof or something.
I was one who may have remarked that Near did not kill himself based on what I saw on kiwifarms. I don't know about criminal charges, but a civil lawsuit for wrongful death might seem more viable. Since Null lives overseas it would probably have to be pursued in the federal court system. The statue of limitations in most states for wrongful death suits is 2 years but may be different in federal court.
 

Boobie Bomb

Hellovan Onion
I still think his suicide was fake and gay. Nobody gave a shit about byuus thread except byuu.
Given he has ADHD it makes sense why he spaz out of nowhere. He really was retarded. And Null knew this but didn’t care about it. Even if Null did take the deal and removed his thread. He probably never knew his site would get gangbanged by the transgender gang and normies that wanna clap cheeks on the farms. Then Keffals fuck him as well because they kept taking the bait a lot.
 

thefrogninja

JDANKS420
An Onion Among Onions
The suicide of Near / Byuu is a major talking point against the farms, which Famers thoroughly deny. In this thread I will be documenting the suicide of Near.

Death records
Japanese death records for June 2021 indicate two United States citizens died that month, contrary to popular kiwi farms claims (link)
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Photo of Near’s urn
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I'm double-checking just your information to verify and it looks legit. Throughout all of Japan 21 americans died in June 2021, 15 of being male.
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In Tokyo 6 americans died in June 2021 with 2 of them being male.
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Kirk is said to have died in June 27, 2021. What is the proof Kirk lived in Tokyo and what website does Kiwifarms like to use to prove there was 0 deaths?
 
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Cavalier Cipolla

Onion Knight...on Onionfarms!
Baby Onion
ADHD might have been some of it. But part of it may have been that Keffals is more of a public figure and more accustomed to being in the public spotlight. Byuu on the other hand was not.
He was in the public spotlight before Kiwifarms even discovered him, though. The first time I saw any drama related to Byuu was actually on Reddit. I'm now entering armchair psychologist territory, so I could be full of shit; perhaps he was indeed also autistic and maybe expected the internet to be a more innocent place than it really is. As it would be foolish to have a social media presence on a very normie social media platform, and not just some 4chan threads, while also not being used to being in a public spotlight and having issues with haters.
 

Constant

Better to reign in Hell, than to serve in Heaven
Remarkable Onion
He was in the public spotlight before Kiwifarms even discovered him, though. The first time I saw any drama related to Byuu was actually on Reddit. I'm now entering armchair psychologist territory, so I could be full of shit; perhaps he was indeed also autistic and maybe expected the internet to be a more innocent place than it really is. As it would be foolish to have a social media presence on a very normie social media platform, and not just some 4chan threads, while also not being used to being in a public spotlight and having issues with haters.

Bringing up this email exchange to respond to this.
You realize I can only control what's on the site, right? I can't control archives, pastbins, doxbin, etc.

https://web.archive.org/web/2020*/https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/

https://archive.md/https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/*

What would you do if the thread was removed but then it was simply restored on a different site (i.e. Encyclopedia Dramatica or one of the competitors to the forum)? That's not unlikely.
From: byuu <byuu@byuu.org>
To: Null <null@kiwifarms.net>
Date: June-26-2021 1:46 PM

I know that. And I know I can't touch Denis' archive.is stuff. I'm hopeful it's obscure enough to be forgotten.

I don't know what else to do. I'm out of ideas and hope. It's a risk. If it happens, it happens, and I'll have to consider what to do then.

I completely deleted my entire social media internet presence a year ago, so I am desperately hoping people will forget about me and move on.

I never wanted any of this online "fame" or attention. I just wanted to release my software and it kind of grew out of control. By the time I realized the negative consequences it was too late to put that genie back in the bottle. All I can do is stay off the internet as much as possible and hope they grow bored.
 
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