The end of kiwifarms

[FateTestarossa]

There's rumors that the trannies deleted all backups of the site. Josh should release the data now. Unless it's truly deleted he wants to withhold it so he can be the sole owner of this information.

Big if true. Now that would be the end of kiwifarms.

I mean technically people could start over but it would be a death blow.

edit: tough seems to be fake, as null says he will restore the site on Telegram.

 

[Jetstream Sharpe]

Ironic given he made a thread for Trump but the minute Biden fucks up he says he will not make a thread for him. This is why Null is full of fucking shit that retarded bastard

I will put 6000000 bullets in biden's soft skull

 

[Absolutego]

There's rumors that the trannies deleted all backups of the site. Josh should release the data now. Unless it's truly deleted he wants to withhold it so he can be the sole owner of this information.

Extremely unlikely. There were competent actual internet companies threatening lawsuits (so way more than just random twitter trannies) who tried to force his co-location provider to provide hard drives in the past, and that was the point that they bowed out and started demanding court orders before taking further action. No chance some online mob is going to force his backups baleeted.
He has the data, the site's offline because of whatever this personal issue is that has him out for the rest of the week. If he really gives up I fully expect the kiwifarms.net page to just redirect to a torrent of the site archive.

 

[Deleted member 1141]

Extremely unlikely. There were competent actual internet companies threatening lawsuits (so way more than just random twitter trannies) who tried to force his co-location provider to provide hard drives in the past, and that was the point that they bowed out and started demanding court orders before taking further action. No chance some online mob is going to force his backups baleeted.
He has the data, the site's offline because of whatever this personal issue is that has him out for the rest of the week. If he really gives up I fully expect the kiwifarms.net page to just redirect to a torrent of the site archive.

You should help the A&H section here. It's not going great. I don't like reading the news enough.

 

[ChaoticPizzaParty]

The problem is what comes from the ashes if it gets a new owner. The more probable outcome is that it becomes an alt-right Outer Heaven. Honestly, he needs to do the following if it comes back.

• No doxxing, it's a slippery slope and nothing good comes of it and it is such a legal issue now, especially with countries reviewing laws. It's just a good preventative measure too and the whole point is to point and laugh, you don't need to know details.
• In tandem just remove doxes now and make all parties happy, the problem is they potentially exist elsewhere but finding them is harder and more timely.
• Get rid of a bunch of threads like Happenings etc. They are just a red flag for fedposting and discussions to devolve. It also prevents Alt-Right fags from infesting the site.

The problem is "What's happened has happened" and it's immutable. The kiwis are the problem and Josh should honestly just nuke the site. You cannot let information like that pass owner to owner because people are nuts and could honestly start crap in real life. That is a legal can of worms that Josh does not realize the consequences.

 

[sick twist]

The problem is what comes from the ashes if it gets a new owner. The more probable outcome is that it becomes an alt-right Outer Heaven. Honestly, he needs to do the following if it comes back.

• No doxxing, it's a slippery slope and nothing good comes of it and it is such a legal issue now, especially with countries reviewing laws. It's just a good preventative measure too and the whole point is to point and laugh, you don't need to know details.
• In tandem just remove doxes now and make all parties happy, the problem is they potentially exist elsewhere but finding them is harder and more timely.
• Get rid of a bunch of threads like Happenings etc. They are just a red flag for fedposting and discussions to devolve. It also prevents Alt-Right fags from infesting the site.

The problem is "What's happened has happened" and it's immutable. The kiwis are the problem and Josh should honestly just nuke the site. You cannot let information like that pass owner to owner because people are nuts and could honestly start crap in real life. That is a legal can of worms that Josh does not realize the consequences.

Not all doxes are equal and this kind of absolutist thinking is the problem. Just because one thing in a realm is acceptable doesn't make them all. If you had your location in your Twitter profile that is on the individual, reposting their Twitter profile isn't malicious by any stretch nor is it something that should be disallowed.

What the Farms always needed was a system of jannies that weren't elbow deep in the shit they were supposed to be sweeping up. Josh handed patients the keys to the asylum and it went how that goes in every case.

 

[Absolutego]

You should help the A&H section here. It's not going great. I don't like reading the news enough.

I feel kind of blind, what even is the A&H section here? There isn't a direct analogue to the KF version from what I can tell.
Still not sure I want to be referee for politisperging going forward, it wasn't exactly a fun task on the Farms.

 

[Deleted member 1141]

"Doxing" isn't the problem. This is particularly apparent during the keffals situation. They want a monopoly on it. That's why banning it means conceding defeat. It's just the excuse being used to drum up support for what is a blatant overstep of corporate power into individual liberty. And yes, I am aware what the law says. This isn't about the letter of the American First Amendment, it's about whether or not the Internet is infrastructure or whether it is media. Effectively, that decision was made when current regulations allowed the creation of telecom monopolies around the world. It's infrastructure. People have a right to it. That means corporations are in violation when they discriminate.

If you don't believe me, go sock as a TERF for ten minutes on Twitter. They will do whatever they can to find your identity and go to your boss, anything to ruin your life for daring to disagree online.

Information is power. Don't throw it away so easily, and not for the kinds of degenerates who are crying right now.

 

[Deleted member 1141]

I feel kind of blind, what even is the A&H section here? There isn't a direct analogue to the KF version from what I can tell.
Still not sure I want to be referee for politisperging going forward, it wasn't exactly a fun task on the Farms.

Articles And Happenings

www.onionfarms.com

That's it. Minimal spergery. Set the tone on the ground floor

 

[sick twist]

"Doxing" isn't the problem. This is particularly apparent during the keffals situation. They want a monopoly on it. That's why banning it means conceding defeat. It's just the excuse being used to drum up support for what is a blatant overstep of corporate power into individual liberty. And yes, I am aware what the law says. This isn't about the letter of the American First Amendment, it's about whether or not the Internet is infrastructure or whether it is media. Effectively, that decision was made when current regulations allowed the creation of telecom monopolies around the world. It's infrastructure. People have a right to it. That means corporations are in violation when they discriminate.

If you don't believe me, go sock as a TERF for ten minutes on Twitter. They will do whatever they can to find your identity and go to your boss, anything to ruin your life for daring to disagree online.

Information is power. Don't throw it away so easily, and not for the kinds of degenerates who are crying right now.

I don't think you do understand. Corpos have retained the right to refuse service to anyone and historically the discrimination laws people get slapped on are uncontrollable aspects like race or sexuality which for legal purposes is not a choice.

Corpos don't have to respect rights on Twitter. You can be banned whenever they want and they can just give the reason being "fuck you we hate your username." And not ban another user with the same name and legally be in the clear until a ruling forces them to behave otherwise. The current court might actually be a good gamble for this.

There is no legal right to using a website is the bottom line. At least not yet.

 

[Absolutego]

I don't think you do understand. Corpos have retained the right to refuse service to anyone and historically the discrimination laws people get slapped on are uncontrollable aspects like race or sexuality which for legal purposes is not a choice.

Corpos don't have to respect rights on Twitter. You can be banned whenever they want and they can just give the reason being "fuck you we hate your username." And not ban another user with the same name and legally be in the clear until a ruling forces them to behave otherwise. The current court might actually be a good gamble for this.

There is no legal right to using a website is the bottom line. At least not yet.

I fully expect we'll have a few more really braindead court takes re: the legality of larger websites banning users before it gets better, if at all.
Our current judiciary is just too old and ossified to really grok the internet and they're going to make confusing analogies for a generation or so before people who grew up with the internet have a chance to set legal precedent.

 

[Syntaxius]

• No doxxing, it's a slippery slope and nothing good comes of it and it is such a legal issue now, especially with countries reviewing laws. It's just a good preventative measure too and the whole point is to point and laugh, you don't need to know details.

How far does this go?

What if some anonymous lolcow accidently links their facebook? No one is allowed to mention it? Every screenshot showing the url has to be removed?

What if a lolcow films their house and even mentions it being their house? Video is not allowed to be posted?

No one is allowed to use holehe or epiois when a lolcow shows their email?

"Doxing" can be such a vague term, from posting each and every detail of a person's life, to simply finding the real name behind the alias, or even finding out in which country a lolcow lives. It's not black and white, and a blanket ban on doxing both doesn't work and is ludicruous to begin with. Just don't post or do anything illegal.

 

[Deleted member 1141]

I don't think you do understand. Corpos have retained the right to refuse service to anyone and historically the discrimination laws people get slapped on are uncontrollable aspects like race or sexuality which for legal purposes is not a choice.

Corpos don't have to respect rights on Twitter. You can be banned whenever they want and they can just give the reason being "fuck you we hate your username." And not ban another user with the same name and legally be in the clear until a ruling forces them to behave otherwise. The current court might actually be a good gamble for this.

There is no legal right to using a website is the bottom line. At least not yet.

No, I seriously get that. And website owners have every right to discriminate, for any reason. That's quite a bit different than what is happening with KF, isn't it? Domain registrars are state affiliated, or state sanctioned, and telecom infrastructure is only "private" using a VERY charitable definition. This is about the layer at which infrastructure ends and private enterprise begins, and internationally, that remains HIGHLY gray. To the ultimate benefit of corporations, at the moment.

 

[sick twist]

No, I seriously get that. And website owners have every right to discriminate, for any reason. That's quite a bit different than what is happening with KF, isn't it? Domain registrars are state affiliated, or state sanctioned, and telecom infrastructure is only "private" using a VERY charitable definition. This is about the layer at which infrastructure ends and private enterprise begins, and internationally, that remains HIGHLY gray. To the ultimate benefit of corporations, at the moment.

From a purely ethical stand point I don't disagree. I think this essentially boils down to tech blowing up faster than the the legal system can keep up, as you see with problems like people mailing harassment or food bombs or even revenge porn.

From a legal one, the problem goes back to how Josh failed to play nice enough to make him being a pain in the ass not enough of an issue for a company to want to go to bat for him on a gray area that benefits them.

 

[Deleted member 1141]

From a purely ethical stand point I don't disagree. I think this essentially boils down to tech blowing up faster than the the legal system can keep up, as you see with problems like people mailing harassment or food bombs or even revenge porn.

From a legal one, the problem goes back to how Josh failed to play nice enough to make him being a pain in the ass not enough of an issue for a company to want to go to bat for him on a gray area that benefits them.

That's a big reason I continue to support him. Your ability to access services shouldn't require you to mouth the correct corporate etiquette. You should see what happened in the mines when they brought in the "Diversity and Inclusion" programs. "What the fuck is a pronoun?"

It's about how things actually are, not how corporate claims they are. All of the "play nice" shit...it doesn't matter how nice you say "shut it down or I'm going to the regulator right now. We're not welding on that machine." You still get fired. And you shouldn't. You realize at some point, after enough years of playing nice...the only way to placate them is to throw your entire life into the machine.

And Josh said "fuck you." At significant personal cost.

I said it too.

More people should. Start now. Fuck Keffals. And Cloudflare. And all of the other cowards who folded to avoid having to tell a yowling troon "no".

 

[sick twist]

That's a big reason I continue to support him. Your ability to access services shouldn't require you to mouth the correct corporate etiquette. You should see what happened in the mines when they brought in the "Diversity and Inclusion" programs. "What the fuck is a pronoun?"

It's about how things actually are, not how corporate claims they are. All of the "play nice" shit...it doesn't matter how nice you say "shut it down or I'm going to the regulator right now. We're not welding on that machine." You still get fired. And you shouldn't. You realize at some point, after enough years of playing nice...the only way to placate them is to throw your entire life into the machine.

And Josh said "fuck you." At significant personal cost.

I said it too.

More people should. Start now. Fuck Keffals. And Cloudflare. And all of the other cowards who folded to avoid having to tell a yowling troon "no".

I respect the passion but I also think tossing yourself to the flames is just going to provide fodder for them to keep growing. Game has to be played, like I said before being the kool-aid man here won't help you. There's ways to deal with troons that keeps them off-balance and honestly shit like respecting pronouns and going after them on the merits of how they behave actually gets you further.

The game has been pretty lost by this side, too much ground was given up. A new strat is the only option and trying to brute force when you're coming from the lower ground isn't the smart play.

 

[ChaoticPizzaParty]

It's more so public members people like DSP's neighbors had their info put on there and that really should not be allowed because they are not even part of the show. Cows parents/family should not be put on there etc. Again the problem is too far gone and it cannot be fixed. Josh's jannies were awful and there are exceptions but most of them are terrible and it's a shitshow.

Keffals is trash and a sociopath/psycho and he will get justice but in the end, Josh does not care about you. He would have deleted data if he cared about you. The simple way to win the game is not to play it and whilst I document Lucas stuff I interact with none of them. They are psychotic and just watch the shitshow.

The troons will start to attack the mothers etc and now that is when the fun begins because those people do not give up. It's like the Don't fuck with cats stuff, they can be very tenacious and have greater mainstream reach.

 

[Deleted member 1141]

I respect the passion but I also think tossing yourself to the flames is just going to provide fodder for them to keep growing. Game has to be played, like I said before being the kool-aid man here won't help you. There's ways to deal with troons that keeps them off-balance and honestly shit like respecting pronouns and going after them on the merits of how they behave actually gets you further.

The game has been pretty lost by this side, too much ground was given up. A new strat is the only option and trying to brute force when you're coming from the lower ground isn't the smart play.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. Sincerely. But this system is set up so that there is no smart play. It's comply or die. And if you're lucky, your boss has a conscience and you don't ever have to ask yourself some of the shit I had to lose sleep over. But every time someone looks away, every time a team of people lets the one autistic moralfag jump into the fire...the world gets a little bit worse.

So, as a fellow autistic moralfag, with pretty humble ambitions (like Null, and his desire to laugh at retards online) I'm not gonna just stand here and kick him about how he should have made a smarter personal career decision. Imma keep pointing out how the system is fucking garbage, and you might not like him (or me) but that shouldn't be what determines who is allowed to access the single most important source of information in the world. Not to this degree.

 

[sick twist]

Yeah, I get what you're saying. Sincerely. But this system is set up so that there is no smart play. It's comply or die. And if you're lucky, your boss has a conscience and you don't ever have to ask yourself some of the shit I had to lose sleep over. But every time someone looks away, every time a team of people lets the one autistic moralfag jump into the fire...the world gets a little bit worse.

So, as a fellow autistic moralfag, with pretty humble ambitions (like Null, and his desire to laugh at retards online) I'm not gonna just stand here and kick him about how he should have made a smarter personal career decision. Imma keep pointing out how the system is fucking garbage, and you might not like him (or me) but that shouldn't be what determines who is allowed to access the single most important source of information in the world. Not to this degree.

I suppose I basically don't see a path forward in that method but I do get it.
Also for the record I don't feel anything towards you in any direction, don't know you. Disagreeing on a post isn't the same as feelings towards a poster.

 

[Battle of Brainiac]

I'm not convinced that he wants to live a normal life, tbh.

No shit lol. Hes a lolcow who projected on others like chris chan. I mean, we have audio from 2018 where hes on air mocking the fact that chris chan was fucking his mom…in 2018. 2021 happens and it turns out to be true. Joshs excuse? “Hes a lolcow guys come on!” Another instance is his fucking silver coins. That entire arc was hilarious for all the wrong reasons. Remember when he sperged out at everyone because some indians fucked up his order of coins and he needed more money to just mail them to people then freaked out because customs held his shit and never shipped them due to “unknown circumstances” by joshs account? The guys site isnt about free speech. He bought cwcwiki n turned it into his own trollshield hugbox because he got ran out of 8chan for being a faggot.