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The end of kiwifarms

Battle of Brainiac said:
He wants to kill all british people because he conflates vordrak with britian(which vordraks entire assault on josh is literally joshs fault 100%)
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Vordrak's assault on KF came about because he wanted KF to be his personal army. He went scorched earth after getting his own thread, something he's done to other people before and after KF.

Dyn posted a pretty good summary of how it all went down on preddit years ago.

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I figured I'd write out something of a summary of Vordrak vs Kiwi Farms since it's quite possibly the maddest I've ever seen anyone get on the internet. It includes a seven month retard-feud, an entire school district being shut down after a terrorism hoax, a £10,000 lawsuit for hurt feelings, a £5,000 bounty on yours truly, and the typical swatting/doxing/mean words type of fare you usualy see in an internet drama.

For those who don't know, the kiwi farms are an 'internet culture gossip' forum that began as a Chris-Chan discussion forum and discusses/archives/mocks the internet lives of unusual weirdos on the internet. I've heard some subreddits are iffy about linking directly there due to the open hosting of dox, but you can find it easily enough through google.

Vordrak, who goes by the pen name Matthew Hopkins the Witchfinder, as well as openly going by his real name Samuel Collingwood Smith, is a Britsh ex-councilman, blogger, and obsessive gamergater and wikisperg. You might know him as the guy who tried to blackmail an anti-gamergate feminists patrons, or the guy who tried to get wikipedia blocked from the UK because they permabanned him, or as the guy who's building his own twitter with blackjack and hookers. His ED article provides a good rundown of his past, while his KF thread features this entire spat in chronological order, through it's like 100 pages now and packed with garbage shitposts the whole way through. You can find his blog directly by googling 'matthew hopkins witchfinder', but if you're interested enough to be reading all this garbage your best bet is reading the KF thread and following the links there to get it in chronological order.

Anyways, I first met Vordrak when he contacted me here on plebbit to try and feed me dirt on some enemy he'd made who does gamergate or atheism blockbots or something. The first thing I ever said to him was that I'd heard of him before, he's a retard, and he's lucky he doesn't have a KF thread himself. He brushed it off (lol) and pushed forward with giving me his info. I'm not up on all that blockbot drama so I just passed his info on to somebody I know who is. That person decided Vordrak was far more deserving of being the subject of a thread, and made one.

The thread was basically a non-starter. People laughed at him a bit and that was it. If he didn't react it would have got maybe 3 or 4 pages of replies and been forgotten. We didn't realize just how insanely he'd react though. I don't want this to read like a fucking novel and I tried making it something of a timeline but verifying dates and shit is too much effort. I'll just put a list of shit what I remember, basically. If it interests you, I'm sure you'll be able to find the full story elsewhere on the internet.

It all started January 21 - KF thread on Vordrak is created

  • Vordrak quietly reports us to Linode for non-existant child pornography. They dehost us.
  • Vordrak reports us to our new host, Gandi, again for child pornography. They dehost us. At no time have we ever hosted child pornography, obviously.
  • Badly forged emails purportedly from the Kiwi Farms admin, in which he openly admits to being a child molester and stealing/blackmailing the KF community, begin circulating on 8chan.
  • Vordrak begins releasing a series of smear articles on KF, in the style of tabloid yellow journalism. I was going to link them but it's too much effort so just google his blog if you want to read them I guess. They start in April and continue up till now.
  • Vordrak shops for allies in his crusade using sock accounts and gets told to fuck off basically everywhere he can think of. He tried wrongplanet, a bunch of autism activist subreddits, baphomet, /cow/, I can't remember where else. He also contacts every single mentally ill degenerate we make fun of trying to score allies, including actual pedophiles (despite almost every single blog post he makes accusing his enemies of being pedos). To date, the only one he's managed to win over is a developmentally challenged neo-nazi from Metapedia, which is kind of sweet I guess.
  • Vordrak contacts everybody in KF Admin's extended family and their friends and employers, accusing KF Admin of pedophilia and his family of enabling and/or profiting from a child pornography ring. I can't remember everyone he contacted but it got to the point of going after the KF Admin's temporary host's friend's cousin's father's boss or something ridiculous like that.
  • Vordrak releases smear articles on KF Admin's mother, doxing her and revealing her unpaid parking tickets. Contacts her boss repeatedly insisting she is at the head of a child pornography ring.
  • Somebody who cannot be proven to be Vordrak, but is obviously Vordrak, impersonates KF Admin to send school shooting threats to schools and media outlets in his local area. The entire school district is shut down in panic and KF Admin gets a knock'n'chat from the Pensacola sheriffs and has to explain why an insane gamergate nutjob is targeting him.
  • He makes threats veiled as 'warnings' on his blog that more terror hoaxes will come unless KF Admin is arrested, up to and including anthrax threats.
  • Realising he's getting nowhere against KF Admin, he starts targeting me. I get some cool smear articles too, and he also starts obsessively contacting his local police, and the police in Pensacola demanding they arrest me for international terrorism (I posted the Hatred intro meme), and pedophile sex crimes (I tweeted a dickpic once). He even has a series of insane blog posts in which he photoshops more and more devils horns and garbage onto the Sheriff of Pensacola for his continued refusal to arrest me for being an internet terrorist.
  • Somebody signs up as 'KiwiDynastia' on ED. Along with Likeicare, they edit Vordrak's article to call him a pedophile. Vordrak immediately threatens Likeicare, KiwiDynastia and Zaiger with a lawsuit.
  • Vordrak serves me papers over email, which I laugh at. I tell him I'm not KiwiDynastia, he doesn't care. So I laugh more. Our email exchanges are hosted on ED afaik. I'm quite rude to him.
  • Vordrak offers to drop the suit against Likeicare and Zaiger if they submit to certain demands ; namely reverting his article, banning me and KiwiDynastia from ED, unbanning him from ED, and doxing me and KiwiDynastia. They tell him to fuck off, but revert his article anyway because the pedo stuff is unfunny bullshit.
  • Vordrak calls for a stay on Likeicare and Zaiger, taking his suit to court against KiwiDynastia. He's awarded a default judgement of £1,000 actual damages, £1,000 costs, and £9,000 in hurt feelings (literally says this). The judge specifically notes that he'll never be able to collect because I'm the only person he properly served, and all I have to do is deny being KiwiDynastia. Oh, and I'm in a jurisdiction that uses British libel judgements as toilet paper.
  • Vordrak posts a £5,000 bounty on my dox. Before you get your hopes up, it's contingent on him getting a full payout from his lawsuit so like... lol.
  • I do a bit of digging into Vordrak's past to find out what all the Evanescence stuff was about, and track down a young girl he stalked and harassed for over two years because she got made moderator on the Evanescence forums instead of him. The harassment included her family being harassed, compromising her debit card information and IM programs (presumably with a keylogger), and even a failed parliamentary petition to call her 'mean-spirited'. When these failed he started slandering the band as pedophiles until legally forced to stop. His victim was 17 when he started that. I post these new revelations. He immediately emails her threatening a defamation suit if she continues talking to me. That's not actually part of the feud, but I thought the fact that he stalked and harassed a minor for over 2 years is worth noting.
  • Vordrak gets our paypal cancelled by sending them emails or whatever.
  • And now, seven months down the line, just yesterday, Vordrak demanded that the British version of 'internal affairs' launch a full investigation into why the police aren't taking him seriously and arresting me right now for terrorism and penis selfies. Apparently an internal affairs investigation is ongoing, because British police are just so darn polite.
That's basically an overview. If you took the time to read all that shit and want to know more, you'll have to go to KF, lolcow.news or Vordrak's blog to get a more detailed version, but at least it won't look (quite so much) like an incomprehensible mess.
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FateTestarossa said:
But this does prove he doesnt care about his users. I mean this was his fault.

I mean many kiwis live in places were they could get in trouble. Like the new Zealand users discudsing Christchurch.
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Was that something that needed to be proven? Why would anyone think a stranger on the internet cares about them?

I don't think New Zealand users would get in trouble just for discussing Christchurch, if they do it without spazzing out about wanting to kill all kikes, niggers and muslims or whatever. And if people do say something that could get them in trouble, it's kind of on them not to sign up with their .edu e-mail address and real IP.
 
.I. said:
Was that something that needed to be proven? Why would anyone think a stranger on the internet cares about them?

I don't think New Zealand users would get in trouble just for discussing Christchurch, if they do it without spazzing out about wanting to kill all kikes, niggers and muslims or whatever. And if people do say something that could get them in trouble, it's kind of on them not to sign up with their .edu e-mail address and real IP.
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Yeah I agree.

It is very stupid to sing up in a site like Kiwifarms with real information.

Hell, even if you had all the correct opinions, many would cancel you just for having a kiwifarms account. @Neko Rights Activist mentioned defending LGBT rights and such, but I think even them would become a pariah in some circles, just for having an account there.

It’s just that I think it’s shitty knowing Null made clear he doesn’t have your back. A cold reminder that if you are a kiwi and you fuck up, you are on your own.

Not that I am losing sleep over it, or anything, this doesn’t affect me,as I just lurked, so I will just see how it goes.
 
Yeah, fuck Josh. I was hoping he would allow users to delete information because I would have just logged in and deleted the account and the rest is history. Not giving users that freedom goes against free speech because by that logic it is your freedom to politely exit the argument like leaving a room. I don't trust his statement on the nature of the breach because of how much he lies. I am also pretty sure that breaks some laws because every website has the option to delete an account.

I am just rather shocked at the outright negligence, to be honest. he needs to stop posting Dear Diary entries on Telegram because you are making yourself a target at that point.
 
ChaoticPizzaParty said:
Yeah, fuck Josh. I was hoping he would allow users to delete information because I would have just logged in and deleted the account and the rest is history. Not giving users that freedom goes against free speech because by that logic it is your freedom to politely exit the argument like leaving a room. I don't trust his statement on the nature of the breach because of how much he lies. I am also pretty sure that breaks some laws because every website has the option to delete an account.

I am just rather shocked at the outright negligence, to be honest. he needs to stop posting Dear Diary entries on Telegram because you are making yourself a target at that point.
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We would still have people defending joshy even after this, I honestly can't understand why, he has no charisma, is ugly as hell, and has zero real life achievements. The only thing I can think of is that he "makes tranny nigger jews seethe" which isn't a lot unless you are either a minor or someone who stucks at the edgy phase forever.
Jetstream Sharpe said:
Butthurt s*rb
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sorry I can't understand tartar and turgayish
 
I can honestly see that not deleting user data is the final straw. The 2016 (I think) formed a huge line and it is arguably the moment the site changed. You had camp one who really disliked the actions of Josh and his fragrant misuse of data. Then you had an odd cult of personality form where the Josh simps come from. it was also when Jim stopped posting a lot more around 2017 so I think people attached to that looking for a new master.

The thing is Jim and Josh are polar opposites, Jim hates power and avoids it and honestly just likes laughing at people but Josh wants it.

This new turn is absolutely indefensible though and I am honestly in awe from the standpoint of someone who works with sensitive data. Imagine telling this to users and customers and the response you'd get. I would not be surprised if a lot of Jim's cliques because a lot of Metokur's audience use the site but I imagine that group turns hostile as soon as Jim has a verdict.

How can you be like "the corporations are bad etc etc" and "they are out to fuck you over." In the same breath refuse to nuke and position yourself to sell the data because that's what he is going to do.
 
ChaoticPizzaParty said:
The 2016 (I think) formed a huge line and it is arguably the moment the site changed
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Do you mean 2019? Just over 200 accounts left. Of those, at least 115 returned, on known accounts. Some key members left and did not return, and it did change the site. It grew very rapidly after that.
ChaoticPizzaParty said:
You had camp one who really disliked the actions of jannie and his fragrant misuse of data.
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Assumed you meant flagrant? What was it exactly? That email addresses were stored?

ChaoticPizzaParty said:
it was also when Jim stopped posting a lot more around 2017 so I think people attached to that looking for a new master.
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Who? Seriously, who? Posting where?

ChaoticPizzaParty said:
This new turn is absolutely indefensible though and I am honestly in awe from the standpoint of someone who works with sensitive data. Imagine telling this to users and customers and the response you'd get. I would not be surprised if a lot of Jim's cliques because a lot of Metokur's audience use the site but I imagine that group turns hostile as soon as Jim has a verdict.
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Telling your users and customers that you're going to do exactly what you said you'd do in the disclaimers, terms of service and multiple discussions over the past 3 years, supported by consistent statements made in your livestream...i'd quite like it if most sysadmins behaved that way. They don't. The list of data breaches from most commercial enterprises is pretty fucking staggering. My credit card gets hit about 3 times a year. In large scale, massive breaches, some of which the company doesn't even announce until you ask. If you're this afraid of what you post on kiwi farms, you made a very poor life decision setting up and maintaining your account.
ChaoticPizzaParty said:
How can you be like "the corporations are bad etc etc" and "they are out to fuck you over." In the same breath refuse to nuke and position yourself to sell the data because that's what he is going to do.
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The corpo-fucking position is to give the entire database away and make sure it never dies. I wish he didn't plan on anonymizing the posts, but it will have similar impact either way.


Corporate wants it gone. That's reason enough to keep it up.
 
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Do you mean 2019? Just over 200 accounts left. Of those, at least 115 returned, on known accounts. Some key members left and did not return, and it did change the site. It grew very rapidly after that.
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Honestly the flood of obvious socks for people dumb enough to sign up with doxing emails was the funniest part of that hack.
I remember a dude who was the online personification of an anti-sjw soyjack creating a new username and starting feuds with anyone who had a mildly positive opinion of new Marvel movies within 12 hours of Null offering account deletions. He always got assmad when I called him out on it too. Wonder where the hell he wound up.
 
I have a list...

I was looking for one old account and ended up having to correlate dozens of the old ones. It was a fun project.
 
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