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Joshua Conner Moon - Kiwi Farms Null and Mad at the Internet

Joshua Moon the owner of Kiwifarms
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hard pass.
 
Null is streaming right now... and it's about Reddit troons and some troon high as a kite getting arrested:



He has apparently enabled image posting in the chat for Premium members, and they're making use of the privilege to express their appreciation:

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Edit: He literally just said this:

"Maybe people who listen to Livestreams are morally vacuous and don't care about anything" - Null
 
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Null is streaming right now... and it's about Reddit troons and some troon high as a kite getting arrested:



He has apparently enabled image posting in the chat for Premium members, and they're making use of the privilege to express their appreciation:

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Edit: He literally just said this:

I'm reposting this from the KF MATI thread, as it's somewhat useful.
0:00 - It starts
2:42 - True start (Oddysee rant)
[Topic 1: Regular News]
5:58 - FCC chair proposes reinstating Obama-era net neutrality rules
7:49 - Twitter updates the TOS (YAYYY IM ON BIG SCREEN!!!!)
9:49 - "I was attacked by Trump and Musk. It was a strategery to change what you see online" by Yoel Roth (exposes him for pedo shit)
14:13 - India said on TV that 10 submarines will go from Hindu and nuke Canada (LOL) [+ rant on INDIA]
19:44 - British people are seething about the Pitbull ban, calls him "Indian Pitbull Hitler"
22:08 - UK Home Secretary: "Multiculturalism has utterfly failed."
25:36 - Mutahar (SOG) has tweeted about that nazis & shit
30:15 - Firms pull ads from Rumble platform over Russell Brand videos (Burger King, Asus and HelloFresh)
33:20 - He talks about serbian burger midway through russell brand shit + food
35:15 - Dababy makes cooking videos (???)
38:28 - Snoop Dogg talks about problems about Donald Trump
39:25 - Neil deGrasse Tyson talks about hallway chirping (AI video)
[Topic 2: TROON SEGMENT!!!]
42:09 - "Who would you put in the same category of evil as Hitler?" "I know. Marjorie Taylor Greene. Bill of genocide against TRANS PEOPLE."
44:00 - "Got suspended for trying to use girls toilets because cisgender transphobic girls complained about me"
45:08 - "Meet the NFL's first transgender cheerleaders" - "erm its the one middle on i googled it"
46:55 - "Average trans woman vs Average TERF woman" (anime girl is trans and the terf women is Liz-Fong Jones)
48:00 - "Transgender realised she was totally screwed" (its hilarious he acts like a horse and bucks like one)
57:00 - Shoplifting case and this trans woman freaks out
59:29 - Esqueer_ has a shitty meltdown on Twitter because he was a moron and people noticed & deletes tweets
1:04:20 - Corey Barnhill is in finacial trouble (Path.net) because they don't pay the billz.
1:06:48 - GAMER news: LCS held all women's catergory - and included trans women. They got a lot of hate for this.
1:12:00 - Reddit roundup - Troons don't like "cis " women invading their porn spaces and pretending to be troons.
1:15:19 - Transgender man has revealed his horrific ordeal after raped by a serial sex attacker in a hostel after offering help for putting away groceries
1:16:24 - Hands of faith (something in the transgender classroom)
1:18:46 - "Pussy is different just watch me"
[Topic 3: lolcow news]
1:19:20 - Kiwi Farms Mass Debates: Is it ethical for straight men to pretend to be gay on Grindr so they can have sex with women pretending to be gay men?
1:20:53 - Poll results & you can see shit now
1:25:35 - Michael Alberto claims Turkey Tom & Girlfriend split apart (some weird controversy)
1:29:09 - Someone has Keemstar's dox about him being a swatter
1:30:00 - Proof that he had to carve her name into Turkey Tom's chest (some shit thing in ms paint)
1:31:40 - YandereDev has been accused of having inappropriate conversations with a 16-year-old over Discord.
1:36:50 - Drexel has been found with the 13 year old (HOLY SHIT) [image troubles]
1:38:40 - The image of Drexel, with the said 13 year old, and they have been dating for 8 years by the way
1:40:20 - Leafy left the internet after he got suspended on Twitter :')
1:41:20 - Some furry (William Dale MacLeod) tried to sue the Kiwifarms a long time ago and lost
1:43:28 - He asked the FBI how to report the Kiwifarms (???)
1:45:00 - Spoopy scary skeleton (Eugenia Cooney) + they talk about this woman
1:47:38 - Adam Britton, zoosadist known for torturing puppies to death on camera, has pleaded guilty to over 60 charges.
1:49:30 - Britbong/ManlyTears/Dominik has returned to being a huge faggot
2:01:00 - Second & Only good british person RoboticBagel (Stuart) reviews an onion
2:08:40 - Minimum Break
2:14:40 - BossmanJack explanation about the slots & shit
2:18:52 - BossmanJack funny clips / rage clips of BossmanJack
2:20:57 - Gambling GHOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLY FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Topic 4: Reddit Segment]
2:22:20 - r/datingover30 by u/makingideashappen - "How do I, a 34 year old man, stay authentic to my weirdness as much as possible?"
[Topic 5: Superberries]
2:31:45 - SUPERBERRIES TIME
2:32:09 - BossmanJack is streaming KINO gotta go
(i cant keep up with superberries let me know if you want me to do the superberries)
3:05:05 - WTF TURKEYTOM WAS VOICING MATI THE WHOLE TIME!!!
3:05:15 - Hard Men Working Hard - No Motive song (ending song)
3:08:07 - The Stream Ends
 
Is this from Telegram? Peen Wienerstein is one of Dick Masterson's pseudonyms.
No, this exchange was not on Telegram (I don't have access to that as I don't use Telegram), it's the comment section underneath his Rumble mirror of the latest MATI Livestream:

 
When Null features a song on MATI:


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I read the lyrics to this "No Motive" song, and it's apparently a song about how no mass shooter is ever to blame for their own violent behaviour, and how supposedly every mass shooter ever was "of course" manipulated into doing it by fedz. He also brings up Jan6 and claims all those people who willfully rioted did it because they mere just silly manipulated children, not adults who were fully aware of the fact that they were rioting while filming and livestreaming themselves doing it to openly brag about what they were doing. Basically, according to Hard Men Working Hard, one ever does anything consciously and intentionally out of their own free will, it's all because "an asset with an asset" is controlling them like meat-puppets. I am so fucking sick and tired of criminals and their cheerleaders refusing to take personal responsibility for their actions and blaming every violent incident on "glowies". No, you were not "manipulated" into shooting up a school, you did it cos you are raging violent nutcase with no discipline or self-control and you think therapy is for faggots so you stew in your helplessness until you pop. Fuck off with this ego-blowie bullshit. If your sleeping pills aren't working, either turn off your computer before going to bed, or get stronger sleeping pills. Sick of irresponsible ass whiners.


Let's go over the lyrics of this song and analyze how HMWH goes about selling this ridiculous premise that every mass shooter was just the puppet on a string of some CIA handler driving them to do it:

The title of this song, "No Motive" is in reference to acts of violence where the mainstream media will insist that the shooter had "no motive" for their crimes and just randomly flipped out one day going postal: "Just crazy kids on the brink, unavoidable, tragic". The song starts off by announcing its intent to unpack the claim that acts of mass violence happen with no motive. The rapper suggests that mass shooters do actually have a motive, namely that they aren't really "lone wolves" acting on their own, but were manipulated into committing acts of mass violence by a government "asset with an asset", aka the "glowies" that seek them out on the internet. The conspiracy theory here is that the government wants there to be periodic eruptions of mass-violence in order to justify militarizing the police against the citizenry, with the government making sure to deliberately groom unhinged members of the general public into being their "ticking timebombs". The rapper however doesn't discuss this latter part of the conspiracy theory, and mostly focuses on describing how glowies manipulate their targets psychologically.

Blackmail pyramid
Several levels deep
Every asset with an asset
With an asset under feet
Scratch the surface
Take a peek
See what's hiding underneath
Everybody's got a little secret
They would kill to keep

The protagonist of this song is represented as someone stressed out restless, someone needing sleeping pills to sleep but he is so restless, the sleeping pills can't knock him out anymore.

Sleepless night again
Just me in my own head
I did what they all said
But still the pills have no effect

I suspect this part of the rap is pilfered from the movie/book Fight Club, the part there Jack's is suffering from insomnia and his doctor tells him to go "chew on some Valerian":


What does the protagonist do with his insomnia? He's up all night browsing the internet. The idea of him needing pills to sleep is meant to suggest that this person is already mentally ill with the pills doing nothing to aleviate his mental illness, likely making it worse.

I don't care, yeah
'Cause today I made a friend
And I met him on an "Asian basket making asshole rating" thread

This is the part in the song where the "glowie", the government handler/agent provocateur shows up on the forum where the protagonist is active. The "glowie" already knows the forum lingo, has an obvious Natsee alias that gives him away as a far right extremist, and tries to build rapor with the protagonist. Very soon the agent provocateur begins to escalate his demands, trying to figure out who already has violent intent by asking around who's into building bombs or shooting guns.

This next part is likely pilfered from Henry Rollins' 1995 Liar:

I disgress, man I swear
He's just like me for real
'Cause he talks like me
So thoughfully
And I can't believe it
It feels... real weird

Compare the above with the Liar lyrics:


And then
You meet me
And your whole world changes
Because everything I say
Is everything you've ever wanted to hear
So you drop all your defenses
And you drop all your fears
And you trust me completely...
I'm perfect in every way
Cause I make you feel so strong and so powerful inside
You feel so lucky
But your ego obscures reality
And you never bother to wonder why
Things are going so well
You wanna know why?

In the music video for Liar, when he gets to this part, they cut to Henry Rollins dressed up as a cop:


What's his deal?
Who's he with?
Is he fake?
What's his name?
Who?
"Hitlerrapist1488"?

Glowie part:
Heil mates
Howdy kids
How's the ethno-state my nigs?
I like hobbies
I like things
Yeah no cap
Bussin
Fo' shiz
I'm not cringe
I'm like you
What it do?
Who' s your crew?
Who you fuck with?
Red or blue?
Jews rule, ain't it true?

Glowie escalates:
Anybody here wanna buy a gun?
Anybody here ever wanna build a bomb?


This next line here is clearly a reference to Jan6 and is once again dumbfucks refusing to take personal responsibility for their actions, suggesting they supposedly didn't know they were rioting just as they were rioting and livestreaming themselves doing it on social media to brag about their actions. Naw bitch, don't blame that shit on "glowies", you rioted because you thought it was cool and you thought they'd let you get away with it because everyone else was doing it too, which is literal fucking mindless herd behaviour:

Hey, let's all go and have some fun
Just dancing on the White House lawn

The glowie continues asking around the forum, trying to find all the members with violent intent that he can "befriend" and groom to do his bidding:

Anybody ever wanna kill a politician?
Anyone here ever had a violent thought?
Yo, you can open up
And spill your guts to me,
Alright?

The protagonist suspects he's being ensnared, but he'd rather have a fake internet friend radicalizing him, than no friend at all:

Late at night
I can hear them all (them = the handlers manipulating him)
Laughing as I type
But the glow is so inviting
And it sure is cold outside
Who am I?
Just a guy
With way too much free time
Hold the line, please
"Yo, check out this fucking schizotype!" (this statement is the handlers talking to one another, enthusing over the fact that they finally found someone they can easily groom in the protagonist)

I want all the people listening to this song to stop for a moment and appreciate the post-meta-irony of someone like Null, who openly praises the Unabomber and is constantly ranting about how this group and that group needs to die and #TotalTrannieDeath, appreciate for a moment the irony of Null subjecting his audience to a song like this. What is Null suggesting with this? Is Null suggesting that Kiwis are just too smart and in-the-know to be manipulated by glowies? Who of all Kiwis sounds the most like the glowie in the song? Who has assembled more "fucking schizotypes" in one place on the internet than Null has?

The glowie tells protagonist that he has make true his threats of committing violence or his not a "real" man, the protagonist is scared but he's too far gone to back down now:

Sleepless night again
But now I got a voice
Stuck inside my head
It's saying
"No more playing now"
"It's time to be a man"
I'm scared
I thought he was my one and only friend
But now the voice is pushing hard
And it won't stop
Until they're dead

I suspect that the meta aspect of this is that Null posted this song almost as a come-on to glowies: "Come on, go ahead and manipulate us... and watch it backfire against you.". The lyric that led me to this conclusion is this one here:

Sure is funny
How it's never
Moneyed men who eat the lead
No
You never see'em shooting suits
Or fucking with the feds
Scratch my head
That's a puzzle
Yeah, it really makes me think

This lyric suggests that glowies will manipulate unhinged members of the general public to commit acts of mass violence, as long as that violence is plebs killing plebs. The job of the glowies is to divert that violence away from the public targeting the elites oppressing them towards the public targeting itself, thus justifying an intervention from the elites to "maintain the peace and restore law and order".

Let's yeet some fucking granny
Counting pennies at the store
She's like 80 anyway
Don't get your panties in a knot

BTW, the above lyrics are likely pilfered from this part from Eminem's 2000 hit single Guilty Conscience, where Eminem raps as the bad voice inside someone's head urging them to commit a robbery:


Dr Dre:
Think about it before you walk in the door first
Look at the store clerk
She's older than George Burns!

Eninem:
Fuck that
Do that shit
Shoot that bitch
Can you afford to blow this shit?
Are you that rich?
Why you give a fuck if she dies?
Are you that bitch?
Do you really think she gives a fuck if you have kids?

This part of the rap suggests that the protagonist is a sexless incel who watches a lot of online porn but it makes him feel angry and rejected, and he fantasizes about shooting dead all the sexy women he can't have.

How bout the tots?
Target's soft
Yeah, let's fuckin kill'em all
At the school
At the mall
Line'em up and watch'em fall

This part is about the media refusing to go along with the conspiracy theory that every mass shooter was secretly groomed:

So, why'd you do it?
Who can say?
FBI won't find a trace
Some might say Islamic State
Others say a broken brain

These two questions are clearly rhetorical, as the author of this song has already made his personal bias clear: he thinks all mass shooters are made and groomed by the government.

Were you born or were you made?
Where should we assign the blame?

Let's run another battery
Best if you co-operate

I don't know what "battery" means here, I guess he means let's run another battery of psychiatric tests to figure out what made the mass-murderer tick? Or is it mean to be a play on words suggesting that the mass-killer was already "battered" and is getting battered against by the carceral/psychiatric system?

Helping hands and friendly face
The trust has got to go both way
So nothing ventured
Nothing gained
Hey
No one said it'd be easy

The rapper warns the listener to watch out for "demons"/glowies, internet people aren't your friends:

There's enemies on every page
How hidden in between the frames
So tell me
The demons
Are they now in the room with you and me?

I don't know what the "key-phrase on the radio weaves" is in reference to, but since the person who wrote this song is a conspiracy theorist, I am guessing he's referring to the Sirhan Sirhan "sleeper agent" conspiracy that he was supposedly triggered into action by a special word? The protagonist says he's "masking", which is what autistic people do when they try to hide their autism to better blend in with normies.

Key-phrase on the radio waves
I'm about to...
Let loose in a video game
But I dare not
Speak out my true enemy's name
Gotta keep on...
My mask for the fancy charade

And there's no motive
There's still no motive
No one knows the motive
He's got no motive
Oh no
No motive
There's still no motive
No one knows the motive

And then there's the Blue Screen of Death.
 
I read the lyrics to this "No Motive" song, and it's apparently a song about how no mass shooter is ever to blame for their own violent behaviour, and how supposedly every mass shooter ever was "of course" manipulated into doing it by fedz. He also brings up Jan6 and claims all those people who willfully rioted did it because they mere just silly manipulated children, not adults who were fully aware of the fact that they were rioting while filming and livestreaming themselves doing it to openly brag about what they were doing. Basically, according to Hard Men Working Hard, one ever does anything consciously and intentionally out of their own free will, it's all because "an asset with an asset" is controlling them like meat-puppets. I am so fucking sick and tired of criminals and their cheerleaders refusing to take personal responsibility for their actions and blaming every violent incident on "glowies". No, you were not "manipulated" into shooting up a school, you did it cos you are raging violent nutcase with no discipline or self-control and you think therapy is for faggots so you stew in your helplessness until you pop. Fuck off with this ego-blowie bullshit. If your sleeping pills aren't working, either turn off your computer before going to bed, or get stronger sleeping pills. Sick of irresponsible ass whiners.
It's funny because in no other cases would said behavior be justified to them: When BLM riots happened I didn't see the same people say they were somehow less accountable. Nor when some horrible unjust mob does something abhorrent. And even though some do imply that the woke-mob itself is merely brain-washed by the media I don't see anyone excusing their insanity with it but instead using the idea as an insult.

In any other crime as well I don't see them considering mitigating facts, in fact I see them actively try to remove mitigation to scandals and crimes.
I don't even see the mere mention of the lowest empathy one might extended... Well with notable exception.
There's been a thought nagging at back of my head considering two events: Null seemingly extends empathy, and the benefit of the doubt, even when it's overtly shown but not when it's anything anime related.
  • To the best of my memory, recalling a MATI Stream that I seemingly cannot find again.
    • When MATI highlighted Cyraxx flirting with someone pretending to be underage to entrap them.
      Null said something like: "I feel like he would've just dated anyone that would have approached him."
I don't think Null is wrong in this expression but it relates to what you're saying: A lot these people just make exceptions that don't really defend the action but makes a loose excuse but seemingly revokes those exceptions to groups they don't like, though this isn't that uncommon honestly and everyone does this to some degree.
 
  • To the best of my memory, recalling a MATI Stream that I seemingly cannot find again.
    • When MATI highlighted Cyraxx flirting with someone pretending to be underage to entrap them.
      Null said something like: "I feel like he would've just dated anyone that would have approached him."
And almost immediately after my post Null talks about YandereDev in an incredibly aggressive light only mentioning that a lot of his former volunteers are leaving, and nothing else discussed in the thread currently, but once talking about Cyraxx immediately says: "While he did do a lot horrible stuff, even being actually convicted of a sexual abuse crime, I really hate all the internet-vigilantes and alogs."

And I get that, but holy fuck.
Absolutely amazing.
 
Is he being ironic? If he's not it just goes to show how almost everything with Josh is "rules for thee but not for me."
I'm going to be honest: I have no idea. It doesn't feel like a joke, he doesn't laugh, but maybe he is joking. He never was funny.
The context before this was him showing an old deleted video of Sseth's just being goofy on the internet about some other youtuber with some friends and him saying: "Oh this is just a shitpost, I thought it was serious..." And then the clip happens.

It is kind of funny as well because the only time Sseth has ever posted on Kiwifarms was directly related to one of his friends or something being bullied on Kiwifarms.
 
It's funny because in no other cases would said behavior be justified to them: When BLM riots happened I didn't see the same people say they were somehow less accountable. Nor when some horrible unjust mob does something abhorrent. And even though some do imply that the woke-mob itself is merely brain-washed by the media I don't see anyone excusing their insanity with it but instead using the idea as an insult.

IKR? Have you ever seen anyone come out and say that BLM were driven to burn down whole blocks with buildings with people still inside of them because "the fedz made them do it"? No, it's assumed that BLM violence was authentic and spontaneous. It's so ridiculous. People are violent because they have an inherent predisposition to violence and they have the opportunity to do it. You don't need any involvement from fedz for either individual people or a group of people to get together and decide to commit violence.

Also, if you've ever read LE instruction manuals for the infiltration of groups (I literally watched a video years ago where an activist was reading straight from that shit, very informative and surprising), you will see that LE don't actually (just) target individual activists but prefer to target a group of like-minded activists, or, if the group is decentralized, they will target a milieu, like an online forum, where a lot of these activists come together to congregate and plan their activities. When fedz infiltrate a group, their goal isn't just to find individual "schizotypes" and manipulate them individually into committing crimes, but rather to rise up within the group hierarchy as quickly as possible to a leadership position, so they can then run the group itself and use their leadership to get as many participants in trouble so they can all be arrested and/or implicated all at once.

If we translate this known infiltration strategy to a website like KF, then a "glowie" infiltrating KF wouldn't be targeting individual Kiwis. More likely, they would become a gadfly on the more accessible or civilized parts of the forum (say, Beauty Parlour instead of A&H), so they can eventually become a mod and a staff member, whereupon they will slowly try win over Null's trust so they can eventually manipulate Null himself to take KF into a certain, more risky/cybercriminal direction. That's how I'd expect actual LE to infiltrate a site like KF to take it down, definitely not by signing up as "Hitlerrapist1488" and asking around who wants to make a bomb. Hard Men Working Hard perpetrate the idea that glowies are that obvious, probably because it's a comforting thought to themselves that glowies are that obvious and they can be easily identified. The idea that they might never actually encounter a glowie, because the glowie is already working behind the scenes as a moderator and is already busy talking to the webmaster, that's not something they want to consider.

I really do think that at the root of this idea that glowies are manipulating individual people is a Martyr Complex type of narcissism. These people secretly kinda like the idea of fedz giving them all this personal attention. It's like a kind of political Munchhausen Syndrome, this idea that they're considered important or dangerous enough to warrant all this personal attention and care.

That's why Christorian X was so suspect, because, I don't know if you've ever read his DMs, but he was constantly asking people how to get through to Null and if any of them had a direct line to Null and could speak to Null on his behalf or introduce him to Null. That's more in line with known LE infiltration tactics. They go for the head. Not saying Christorian X is a fed, but he definitely was copying the expected behaviour of an actual fed in the way he wanted to gain access to leadership ASAP.
 
I really do think that at the root of this idea that glowies are manipulating individual people is a Martyr Complex type of narcissism. These people secretly kinda like the idea of fedz giving them all this personal attention. It's like a kind of political Munchhausen Syndrome, this idea that they're considered important or dangerous enough to warrant all this personal attention and care.
To say the obvious: Of course LE infiltrate groups all the time, and of course in some cases they might grab someone and compromise him for the group. And sure they might have a history of scummy tactics but I have a legitimate question: If LE was trying to destroy your group why wouldn't they just plant fake-evidence? Who's going to check them? Themselves?
It would be incredibly risky to literally pay and support a future shooter directly than just conveniently searching their drives, planting some evidence, arresting them. As one is purely internal, thus easily covered by corruption, and the other relies on individuals of obscure forums that are probably so weak that they can't open a jar, and/or so over weight they can't move five steps without running out of breath.

edit: I know the argument is that it's actually about slowly eroding the 2nd-amendment by tragedy but there's a tragedy every day. The government doesn't need to manufacture tradegy it merely needs the media to highlight any tragedy.

It really does feel like some protagonist-delusion because quite frankly if they were actually competent: They could easily just kill them, or frame them for any crime: No one would know too, because they're usually nobodies.
 

Look into these events for a better understanding of fed infiltration.
 
To say the obvious: Of course LE infiltrate groups all the time, and of course in some cases they might grab someone and compromise him for the group. And sure they might have a history of scummy tactics but I have a legitimate question: If LE was trying to destroy your group why wouldn't they just plant fake-evidence? Who's going to check them? Themselves?
It would be incredibly risky to literally pay and support a future shooter directly than just conveniently searching their drives, planting some evidence, arresting them. As one is purely internal, thus easily covered by corruption, and the other relies on individuals of obscure forums that are probably so weak that they can't open a jar, and/or so over weight they can't move five steps without running out of breath.

edit: I know the argument is that it's actually about slowly eroding the 2nd-amendment by tragedy but there's a tragedy every day. The government doesn't need to manufacture tradegy it merely needs the media to highlight any tragedy.

It really does feel like some protagonist-delusion because quite frankly if they were actually competent: They could easily just kill them, or frame them for any crime: No one would know too, because they're usually nobodies.

It is sustainted by screencaps from /pol/ alleging that federal agencies have been sued for trying to bait teenage boys into committing mass shootings. I don't know if these are true but they do tickle the brain.
 
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