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KF Linked ⛓️ Liz Fong-Jones / Elliot William Fong,

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MATI excerpt about LFJ's default judgement against Vincent/Flow Chemical in Australia:


His thinking is so perplexing: "I am not on the hook, I don't need that IP space I got for free from Flow Chemical", that's all he cares about! His 先生 just got slapped with $400k in damages. If Vincent doesn't take some time off from playing Dota2 to get an appeals attorney specialized in forum shopping to fight this at an Australian appeals court, 先生 might even sue Null for not telling him what he was up to with KF, and then the two of you will be living out a version of that scene from The Social Network IRL:

 
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VAIDS Victim said:
That's a pretty crappy way to react to a friend getting in trouble. Maybe they had a falling out?
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I have no idea. When Null posted his Telegram message about the default judgement against Vincent, he sounded angry/upset (but then he always sounds like that) and I read his post to mean that Null was personally going to help Vincent get a good lawyer to appeal this verdict. But then on MATI Null suggested that he had already spoken to Vincent, and that Vincent had sheepishly agreed that it was now a good time to get a lawyer, and that he was gonna get one on his own. I have no idea where they are with this legal situation right now.

I don't know anything about Australian law, I do know that in some other jurisdictions a default judgement is sufficient for the plaintiff to send out the bailiff/process server to empty out someone's apartment or seize control over their bank-accounts and other assets. I don't know if it works like this Australia, but if it does, then Liz Fong-Jones can try to hold Null "at gun point" by threatening to send the bailiffs after Vincent to strip him naked of money, savings and assets. I don't think either Null or Vincent realize how serious this can get.
 
The Gays From LA said:
I don't know if it works like this Australia, but if it does, then Liz Fong-Jones can try to hold Null "at gun point" by threatening to send the bailiffs after Vincent to strip him naked of money, savings and assets. I don't think either Null or Vincent realize how serious this can get.
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Maybe he doesn't truly care unless he's personally being stripped of all his money.
 
I didn't even block out of hate, just necessity. I don't want my phone taking a crap every time I load a thread.
 
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If his fursona is a snow leopard then his dealer name must be big ounce and he sells estrogen pills to kids outside of highschools. Never thought I'd be able to make that joke work so well. (snow leopard are called ounces)
 
Here's something else I still had in my archive that might be relevant to Vincent's legal defense against Liz Fong-Jones in Australia:

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Source:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1574971495649972224

During #DropKiwiFarms Liz Fong-Jones had personally added Flow Chemical to the "DDoS lists posing as DROP lists" that Liz Fong-Jones and his fellow cybercriminal Kevin Karhan had uploaded to their cybercriminal conspiracy account The Grayhat Academy on Github. (Recent archive: https://archive.ph/pamiG )

I personally reported the GrayHat Academy account to Github when I discovered it, because I was sure that those DROP lists were actually meant as DDoS hitlists that were made available for the hackers that were working with #DropKiwiFarms to constantly DDoS KF after Cloudflare dropped the site's and discontinued its DDoS protection.

Archive of the DDoS/faux-DROP lists on The GrayHat Academy:


Here is Liz adding Flow Chemical to the DDoS list on the day this mirror was created:


Soon after I reported The GrayHat Academy to Github, Liz Fong-Jones and Kevin Karhan suddenly stopped using that account, and they also stopped updating the DDoS/faux-DROP lists that they had already placed there. I don't know if this was as a result of my report to Github. Clearly Liz Fong-Jones and Kevin Karhan did not want people to know about the existence of the GrayHat Academy account on Github and what that account was actually being used for.

Compare this year-old archive of Liz and Kevin populating the DDoS lists with entries:

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GitHub - greyhat-academy/lists.d: List of useful things

List of useful things. Contribute to greyhat-academy/lists.d development by creating an account on GitHub.
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To the latest one, where you can't see their original activities anymore:

github.com

GitHub - greyhat-academy/lists.d: List of useful things

List of useful things. Contribute to greyhat-academy/lists.d development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com github.com
Archive: https://archive.ph/6kU90

As per the above archive , none of the original entries of Liz Fong-Jones adding Flow Chemical to the list are any longer visible. I am assuming that, as soon as Liz Fong-Jones began suing Vincent/Flow Chemical in Australia, Kevin Karhan went to work on The GrayHat Academy account, and specifically on list.d, with the intent of trying to cover up the fact that Flow Chemical was a cybercriminal target of #DropKiwiFarms. Kevin tried to cover the targeting of Flow Chemical by populating list.d with what are basically "trash entries" meant to replace the original entries showing Liz Fong-Jones's contributions to list.d making Flow Chemical as well as other KF-associated ISPs into targets.

Here is the full thread by @MrMidnightNet from which the above screenshot was taken:

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Thread by @MrmidnightNet on Thread Reader App

@MrmidnightNet: Now I wonder....Why would someone known to associate with Keffals, LizTheGrey, DropKiwiFarms, etc need malicious looking bash script? I am no coder but looks to be an SSH key extractor made to deaddr...…
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Archive: https://archive.ph/Eif5K

Maybe Null and Vincent can reach out to @MrMidnightNet on X/Twitter to obtain his screenshots of Liz Fong-Jones using The GrayHat Academy account to target Flow Chemical.
 
I also wanted to respond to these posts from Null today, explaining why he won't sue Liz Fong-Jones:

Cogent's CEO is directly involved in trying to censor the Kiwi Farms
For the millionth time: if Liz Fong-Jones, Keffals, and a million other entities were committing civil torts against this forum and myself every day, it would not matter, because I do not have the financial means to pursue legal action against them.
Null · Post #179 · Today at 1:12 PM · Forum: Forum Discussion
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Cogent's CEO is directly involved in trying to censor the Kiwi Farms
Oh yeah probably mate but let me say this again: I do not have the financial means to pursue legal options. Anyone have any questions in regards to "I cannot fucking afford this so shut the fuck up"?
Null · Post #181 · Today at 1:12 PM · Forum: Forum Discussion
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Cogent's CEO is directly involved in trying to censor the Kiwi Farms
$75,000 to take something to trial. At the very least. At a fucking minimum. If you want to pay me $75,000 in cryptocurrency I will sue Liz Fong-Jones tomorrow.
Null · Post #182 · Today at 1:13 PM · Forum: Forum Discussion
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According to Mother Jones Null has $300k in crypto, so what does he mean with "I don't have the financial means"? He does have the financial means, he's just decided that a lolsuit isn't worth those bitchycoins, because he apparently wants to spend those bitchycoins on something else. Which is fair enough, but don't lie about this.

As for this comment:

Jersh, I know you're probably tired of hearing suggestions, but I wonder if it would help to have a front page banner soliciting donations for a "Sue Fucking Everyone" fund. I watch this stuff pretty closely, and I just plain didn't know that the limitation at this point is mainly financial. Maybe I'm not the only one.
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I no longer have these e-mails because they were nuked when I deleted the e-mail account associated with my KF account for security reasons, but I distinctly recall asking Null at the time why he wouldn't pursue legal action against #DropKiwiFarms ... and I remember he did not give me this "I don't have the financial means" answer. (I won't disclose what the reasons were that he gave at the time, but suffice to say they definitely weren't "I don't have the financial means"). I can understand not wanting to waste $300k in bitchycoins on suing wealthier and more resourced troons, when you can just move to bitchycoin Paradise Curitiba and spend all the bitchycoins there on more fun things... but why lie to me about this? Why not just say "I don't have the financial means" back then?

Edit: I now recalll Null did say he can't afford spurious lolsuits, but IIRC that was in the context of him getting sued by Liz Fong-Jones and needing to mount a defense, not him doing the suing himself. Suffice to say, Null chose to play defense instead of offense, and now Vincent is paying the price of that choice.

Here are Null's chats on the topic which were posted here on OF at the time as well as on Twitter by Sinseer:

NullIfWeStayUpLizNKeffalsSue.jpgNullIfTheySueIHave2Defend.jpgNullIfTheyCrushThisSetupThatsIt.jpgNullIfLizSuesTheEFF.jpg

And y'all still wonna donate money to someone who obfuscates about the real reason he won't sue these troons...
 
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Didn't read, don't care.

Look at this absolute gold nugget I found while looking at something completely unrelated:

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The Gays From LA said:
This is what Liz Fong-Jones wanted to achieve:


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This is now the top hit when I type "Vincent Zhen" into Bing.

Liz Fong-Jones wanted to cause reputational damage to someone Null actually cares about.

Imagine making a OF account just to tell me, of all people, that I should refer to a sadistic liar like Liz Fong-Jones as a woman. I do not see a woman when I look at Liz Fong-Jones, I see a man looking like a man, sounding like a man and behaving like a man. Liz Fong-Jones is a troon because he is a homosexual Asian man with daddy issues, plain and simple. If you see woman when you look at Liz Fong-Jones, you need a new pair of glasses. Just because I'm no longer on KF doesn't mean I have changed my mind about TRAs or Liz Fong-Jones. KF isn't the reason I think about TRAs the way I do. I don't hate TRAs because of KF, I hate them because I have seen them destroy countless of innocent people's lives over completely trivial irrelevant bullshit.

Here's list of all the legal crowdfunders from the victims of TRAs. I had posted this list on KF too at the time of #DropKiwiFarms, as an illustration of TRA litigiousness:

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I know these TRAs are litigious bastards who will abuse the legal system to waste people's time, money and energy. I know they are fucking destructive demons who only exist to destroy lives and force their bullshit upon non-consenting others who do not share their warped beliefs. TRAs exist for no other reason than to destroy literally every freedom we take for granted and hold dear.

These people are truly a menace to society and they need to be stopped, by any legal means necessary. That's what Null doesn't understand about TRAs, how fucking vicious and obsessed they really are once they've declared someone a target. The only way to stop them is to nip that entire movement in the bud. That's why Null should've sued Liz Fong-Jones into the ground himself over the cybercrimes of #DropKiwiFarms instead of waiting for things to get to where they are now. Null knew that Liz Fong-Jones couldn't do shit legally in the US against him, so he rested on his laurels thinking he was good. Now Null has to defend his best friend in a lolsuit in a foreign country in which Null isn't even a direct party to the lolsuit, which is a very poor position to litigate from.

I anticipated that Liz Fong-Jones was going to engage in libel tourism. I anticipated that he was going to forum shop and try to sue Null in a foreign jurisdicition to get a leg up on him, because that's what obsessed litigious bastards with money always do: they become libel tourists. That's why I sent Null the contact information of different lawyers in different jurisdictions who might be able to help him, because I saw that's where Liz Fong-Jones was going to take things. I read Liz Fong-Jones's KF thread, there I read that he is ex-Google (so basically a technocrat technonatsee) and that he had left the company with a golden parachute after suing them, so I knew LFJ was litiguous and would happily abuse the courts to get his way. Instead of appreciating the gesture and the warning on my part, Null said that I was too stupid to be on his web forum and banned me. Well, at least I'm not as stupid as Vincent to think I can just ignore a subpoena and expect the judge to handle things on his own.

Take for example fund raising. Null is going to have to set up a legal crowdfunding campaign to help Vincent appeal the verdict. People on KF know who Null is but unless they have listened to old MATI episodes, they have no idea who Vincent is. On top of that, a lot of the people on KF who are into Null are far right racists who hate anything non-white, so if Null raises the begging bowl to these racists asking them to help his Chinese-Australian friend, they're gonna say they're not interested in "helping some dumb chink immigrant who was too busy playing Dota2 to bother getting a lawyer when he got sued" (see how that works Null? You cultivated this far right audience that hates your best friend for whom he is. This is whom you've surrounded yourself with now.)

Liz Fong-Jones is a cybercriminal hiding behind the thin veneer and pretense of online activism. Liz Fong-Jones targeted Cloudflare with the explicit intent of enabling cybercrimes against KF. There is literally no reason to take away someone's DDoS protection or someone's anti-virus software unless you intend to attack them with DDoS or infect them with a virus. The intent behind #DropKiwiFarms was always explicitly cybercriminal. If you are cheering for LFJ, you are cheering for cybercrimes and using crimes to get your way. The reason LFJ will not sue Null in the US is because they're both Americans, so LFJ knows an American lolsuit will go nowhere. LFJ targeted Null's best friend Vincent in Australia out of pure opportunistic sadism. This isn't about denying Null his IP space. LFJ wanted to hurt Null where it really hurts and Vincent was the means to do so.

If you read Null's comments on KF about this verdict, you will see that Null is still very reluctant to disclose anything about his personal relationship with Vincent, but everybody knows that Null and Vincent are more than just business partners, and that Null holds his 先生 Vincent in high esteem. Since Null doesn't have a family that LFJ can target - Vordrak already did that before Liz - Liz decided to target the only person he knew was close to Null, and that was Vincent. Null said that Liz Fong-Jones likes to target women, but since there isn't a public woman in Null's life, Liz Fong-Jones targeted the next best thing, the Asian man in Null's life.
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Just like he hurt that one lady’s reputation that spoke out against him about the rape.

I’ll say it once more .the people who the farms have taken an interest too. when it comes to family and friends, associated POI most of the time, the farms will not go after them. They will be more so mentioned as more for a dramatic backdrop for storytelling . If the farms does go after someone’s mother, grandmother, friend , and family, there’s a reason .i’ve only seen it happen a few times but it’s gotta be like a big name person. Most of the time the farms were just post someone’s they have a mother or father ,siblings, or friend they associate with. nothing more is expanded.(I would like to make a note that there’s a thing called the rat king subforum and that is where one individual is a cow that knows another individual that is also cow.)
Now when it come to transgender folks and being a cow. Or basically any of the crazy liberals and there’s some crazy Republicans in there, too. I say more so the woke mob that if you piss them off, they will find you’re father, your mother, your brother, your siblings, your grandparents, your childhood friends, your neighbors, and anyone you associate to, and they will make you a living hell by destroying each, and everyone of those lives.
I don’t know why it’s so hard for people to understand, but the farms is the lesser evil to this.

But to get back on topic, the popularity of this Mr. Jones was going down. No one seems to be really talking about this individual after drop KiwiFarms. In fact, a lot of people have noticed how perverted narcissistic they are. When no ones paying attention to him, He’ll be like a child having a tantrum.
 
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