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Religious Discussion (Breakoff from Joshua Moon Megathread)

Mohammed. He married a very young girl. Y'know, I could post a Sam Shamoun video, to explain it better.
Not if your Shia, or Ahmadiyya (like Kenneth himself)!

Some people have a hard time comprehending different sects of religion outside of Christianity.
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Anyways, back to Josh’s faggotry.
 
Mohammed. He married a very young girl. Y'know, I could post a Sam Shamoun video, to explain it better.
Muslims don't worship Muhammad. They worship Allah which is simply Arabic for God. Muhammad actually had 12 wives. You are referring to Aishah (his youngest wife). With the exception of Aishah, all of his other wives were widows. As for her age that has come under scrutiny in regards to its accuracy.

https://newlinesmag.com/essays/why-...e-age-of-the-prophet-muhammads-youngest-wife/
 
FTFY

You do agree that Mohammed was a nonce? Also:

I don't believe that Muhammad was a nonce anymore than I believe that Roman Catholics are cannibals.

The truth about Muhammad and Aisha​


Writing about Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, the Orientalist scholar W Montgomery Watt wrote: “Of all the world’s great men, none has been so much maligned as Muhammad.” His quote seems all the more poignant in light of the Islamophobic film Innocence of Muslims, which has sparked riots from Yemen to Libya and which, among other slanders, depicts Muhammad as a paedophile.
This claim is a recurring one among critics of Islam, so its foundation deserves close scrutiny.

Critics allege that Aisha was just six years old when she was betrothed to Muhammad, himself in his 50s, and only nine when the marriage was consummated. They base this on a saying attributed to Aisha herself (Sahih Bukhari volume 5, book 58, number 234), and the debate on this issue is further complicated by the fact that some Muslims believe this to be a historically accurate account. Although most Muslims would not consider marrying off their nine-year-old daughters, those who accept this saying argue that since the Qur’an states that marriage is void unless entered into by consenting adults, Aisha must have entered puberty early.

They point out that, in seventh-century Arabia, adulthood was defined as the onset of puberty. (This much is true, and was also the case in Europe: five centuries after Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha, 33-year-old King John of England married 12-year-old Isabella of Angoulême.) Interestingly, of the many criticisms of Muhammad made at the time by his opponents, none focused on Aisha’s age at marriage.

According to this perspective, Aisha may have been young, but she was not younger than was the norm at the time. Other Muslims doubt the very idea that Aisha was six at the time of marriage, referring to historians who have questioned the reliability of Aisha’s age as given in the saying. In a society without a birth registry and where people did not celebrate birthdays, most people estimated their own age and that of others. Aisha would have been no different. What’s more, Aisha had already been engaged to someone else before she married Muhammad, suggesting she had already been mature enough by the standards of her society to consider marriage for a while. It seems difficult to reconcile this with her being six.

In addition, some modern Muslim scholars have more recently cast doubt on the veracity of the saying, or hadith, used to assert Aisha’s young age. In Islam, the hadith literature (sayings of the prophet) is considered secondary to the Qur’an. While the Qur’an is considered to be the verbatim word of God, the hadiths were transmitted over time through a rigorous but not infallible methodology. Taking all known accounts and records of Aisha’s age at marriage, estimates of her age range from nine to 19.

Because of this, it is impossible to know with any certainty how old Aisha was. What we do know is what the Qur’an says about marriage: that it is valid only between consenting adults, and that a woman has the right to choose her own spouse. As the living embodiment of Islam, Muhammad’s actions reflect the Qur’an’s teachings on marriage, even if the actions of some Muslim regimes and individuals do not.

Here is the link: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/17/muhammad-aisha-truth
 
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Muslims don't worship Muhammad. They worship Allah which is simply Arabic for God. Muhammad actually had 12 wives. You are referring to Aishah (his youngest wife). With the exception of Aishah, all of his other wives were widows. As for her age that has come under scrutiny in regards to its accuracy.

https://newlinesmag.com/essays/why-...e-age-of-the-prophet-muhammads-youngest-wife/
Muslim scholars agree she was 6 at marriage and they had sex when she was 9 and tell other Muslims to not be ashamed and lie about it.
 
Muslim scholars agree she was 6 at marriage and they had sex when she was 9 and tell other Muslims to not be ashamed and lie about it.
Actually her exact age was not known. Ayesha marrying at 9 years old does not square with other historical facts. "Adulthood" was defined when a person entered puberty. This wasn't confined to the Muslim world. You had this in the biblical world as well. Yeah, I get it about lolcows preying on minors but the culture 1500 years ago was what it was.

Given in Pre-Islamic Arabia fathers were allowed to bury their newborn daughters alive if they didn't want them, Islam was a step forward.

As an addendum in Saudi Arabia the minimum marriage age is 18 (or 15 to 17 with the court's permission - which still sucks in my opinion).
 

I don't believe that Muhammad was a nonce anymore than I believe that Roman Catholics are cannibals.

The truth about Muhammad and Aisha​


Writing about Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, the Orientalist scholar W Montgomery Watt wrote: “Of all the world’s great men, none has been so much maligned as Muhammad.” His quote seems all the more poignant in light of the Islamophobic film Innocence of Muslims, which has sparked riots from Yemen to Libya and which, among other slanders, depicts Muhammad as a paedophile.
This claim is a recurring one among critics of Islam, so its foundation deserves close scrutiny.

Critics allege that Aisha was just six years old when she was betrothed to Muhammad, himself in his 50s, and only nine when the marriage was consummated. They base this on a saying attributed to Aisha herself (Sahih Bukhari volume 5, book 58, number 234), and the debate on this issue is further complicated by the fact that some Muslims believe this to be a historically accurate account. Although most Muslims would not consider marrying off their nine-year-old daughters, those who accept this saying argue that since the Qur’an states that marriage is void unless entered into by consenting adults, Aisha must have entered puberty early.

They point out that, in seventh-century Arabia, adulthood was defined as the onset of puberty. (This much is true, and was also the case in Europe: five centuries after Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha, 33-year-old King John of England married 12-year-old Isabella of Angoulême.) Interestingly, of the many criticisms of Muhammad made at the time by his opponents, none focused on Aisha’s age at marriage.

According to this perspective, Aisha may have been young, but she was not younger than was the norm at the time. Other Muslims doubt the very idea that Aisha was six at the time of marriage, referring to historians who have questioned the reliability of Aisha’s age as given in the saying. In a society without a birth registry and where people did not celebrate birthdays, most people estimated their own age and that of others. Aisha would have been no different. What’s more, Aisha had already been engaged to someone else before she married Muhammad, suggesting she had already been mature enough by the standards of her society to consider marriage for a while. It seems difficult to reconcile this with her being six.

In addition, some modern Muslim scholars have more recently cast doubt on the veracity of the saying, or hadith, used to assert Aisha’s young age. In Islam, the hadith literature (sayings of the prophet) is considered secondary to the Qur’an. While the Qur’an is considered to be the verbatim word of God, the hadiths were transmitted over time through a rigorous but not infallible methodology. Taking all known accounts and records of Aisha’s age at marriage, estimates of her age range from nine to 19.

Because of this, it is impossible to know with any certainty how old Aisha was. What we do know is what the Qur’an says about marriage: that it is valid only between consenting adults, and that a woman has the right to choose her own spouse. As the living embodiment of Islam, Muhammad’s actions reflect the Qur’an’s teachings on marriage, even if the actions of some Muslim regimes and individuals do not.

Here is the link: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/17/muhammad-aisha-truth
TLDR

Mohammed was an illiterate sand nigger who banged a kid. 7 or 17, it's the matter of which one is worse, not whether he did it or not.

He also said that camel piss is a cure for disease. Quran is a flanderized and grosser version of Bible.
 
In Islam, Mohammed isn't "worshipped" like Josh believes. Jesus is worshipped by Christians because he is the son of God. Mohammed is just a prophet. Christianity has many prophets and they are not worshipped. Furthermore, "peace be upon him" (the phrase that Josh foolishly believes is meant to worship) is used for ALL PROPHETS of Islam and not Mohammed exclusively.
 
In Islam, Mohammed isn't "worshipped" like Josh believes. Jesus is worshipped by Christians because he is the son of God. Mohammed is just a prophet. Christianity has many prophets and they are not worshipped. Furthermore, "peace be upon him" (the phrase that Josh foolishly believes is meant to worship) is used for ALL PROPHETS of Islam and not Mohammed exclusively.
Yes that is absolutely true. In fact after Muhammad, Jesus was the second greatest prophet in Islam. Muslims pray to God) directly and ask God to forgive their sins.
 
and ask God to forgive their sins.
Is there really such a thing as "sin" in a religion who's followers crashed stolen airplanes into the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and a field in Shanksville, PA? Is failing to strike the White House a sin, and did Sand God really forgive them for that?

What about the Mossad agents pulling the strings? Are they guilty of sinful acts under Jizzlam?
 
Is there really such a thing as "sin" in a religion who's followers crashed stolen airplanes into the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and a field in Shanksville, PA? Is failing to strike the White House a sin, and did Sand God really forgive them for that?

What about the Mossad agents pulling the strings? Are they guilty of sinful acts under Jizzlam?
And some of the first responders who came to help were Muslim. Some of the first responders who came to help after the October 7th massacre in Israel were Muslims (Israeli Arabs).
 
Is there really such a thing as "sin" in a religion who's followers crashed stolen airplanes into the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and a field in Shanksville, PA? Is failing to strike the White House a sin, and did Sand God really forgive them for that?

What about the Mossad agents pulling the strings? Are they guilty of sinful acts under Jizzlam?
Ask 10 muslims what the Quran says and all ten will tell their own interpretation of it. But one thing is constant: Quran specifically condemns any non believers and justifies killing non believers.
 
I disagree with Joshy in every way but this. Whether or not he has cottoned on to the correct reason why Muslims are gross doesn't matter - they are gross. They're also the only religion that cannot coexist with others outside their own religion. Jews might look down on the goyim but they can live with them (albeit as second class citizens). Hindu and Buddhists don't want to kill you for not following their weird shit. Muslims don't want to suffer non-Muslims to live.

Anywho back on topic Joshy said on stream that his mom had to fill in a COPPA form so he could play neopets when he was around 8 years old - do you think that was where it all went wrong for him? He's basically first gen ipad kid... his mother figured out she could let the computer be his babysitter so she could run around town dating big black arsonists.
 
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