I am not a lawyer and all I know about the law is based on what I've read in the media and on legal websites/journals, not personal experience. As for your question, that depends on what you mean with "a patently criminal organization". Are they an official registered "organization", or are they just loose individuals that appear to act in concert, like an organization would? Can their structure as an organization be proven, or is it implied?
Next, are they already found to be a "patently criminal" organization? What is their track record, legally? Is there a history of lolsuits, convictions and prosecutions in which they were proven to be "patently criminal"? Or are they just rumoured be engaged in crime, but is the law simply late to catch up with what they're actually doing? Is the purpose of the lolsuit to show the court of what they did, or to remind the court of what they were already caught doing?
Next, can a criminal organization have other crimes committed against it, as in "censorship-oriented cybercriminal activities" specifically? It should go without saying that criminals routinely commit crimes against other criminals in the criminal underworld, which is why the criminal underworld is itself a problem as it tends to increase the amount of crime and law-breaking.
If an "organization" is acting in a "patently criminal" way, or is perceived to be doing so, then people who are either victims or bystanders of that organization might decide to undertake various activities against that organization, aimed at stopping them from committing more crimes. Part of that campaign might include denying that criminal organization a public presence, which isn't cybercriminal in and of itself, but might violate inalienable rights, because even criminals and perceived criminals have a right to claim their innocence in a public forum.
However, even in righteously resisting a patently criminal organization, their opponents aren't allowed to break the law themselves in doing so. If their opponents resort to breaking the law in resisting that organization, they themselves are effectively in the process of bringing about a new criminal organization of their own.
With regards to KF itself, the questions I would ask myself would be 1) was the #DropKiwiFarms campaign absolutely necessary? 2) Wasn't there another way for #DropKiwiFarms to achieve their aims, that did not involve committing cybercrimes? and 3) Were the cybercrimes committed by #DropKiwiFarms against KF proportional to what they aimed to achieve? (Whatever that was, deplatforming KF, avenging trans people, etc) My personal answer to all these questions is NO. You don't get to openly blackmail entire ISPs with DDoS attacks just because you want to target one single website that you've already hacked with the aim of causing a user data-leak - which is what the poz.hiv hack during #DropKiwiFarms was supposed to do. #DropKiwiFarms were openly blackmailing ISPs, openly tweeting out 48 hour ultimatums to them, openly threatening to show up at their offices to attack their workers going into work, openly threatening to doxx and beat up KF users, openly calling for someone to murder Null, etc. Furthermore, both Caraballo and LFJ are privileged enough to have taken KF to court themselves, or to fund someone else's lolsuit against KF, if they felt they had a case against the site. Caraballo never did, because he's a far left anarchist who believes in accosting SCOTUS and "be gay do crimes". LFJ did sue Flow Chemical in Australia, but he had to resort to such forum shopping and libel tourism to sneak his way through the legal system and get a default judgement. LFJ knew that he did not have a case against KF in the US itself where hate speech is protected and Null can personally disavow whatever individual Kiwis are posting under Section 230. #DropKiwiFarms just want to use their own brand of thuggery against what they claim are thugs. That is not the way of a lawful system.
I hope that answers your question. I know I posed even more questions in return, but I'm just trying to show you what a fair and balanced view of both sides would look like in this case. Both Kiwis and TRAs think their own cause is righteous and that rules only stand in the way of that cause.
I've never seen a person get in trouble for hacking a pedophile or related website and then making a big public deal about it. Then again, they were never sued by the pedophiles to my knowledge.
I think the difference btw the pedophile sites and kiwifarms is the pedophile people are more worried about jail time. Not that kiwis aren't. I don't really see Josh showing up to any court hearing in person. Not because of vigilantism, but he probably doesn't want to be held criminally accountable for his actions. And where safe harbor laws don't apply. His website wasn't build to be a generic gossip site. It was built to be the "chris chan wiki forums". A place to stalk, harass, and wish harm upon an autistic, non-public-figure that 4chan found funny. I don't think it would be that difficult for Chris-Chan and a handful of other people to put Null and others behind bars if they had gathered evidence. But that's just my opinion and it may not be popular here.
I don't think it would be that difficult for Chris-Chan and a handful of other people to put Null and others behind bars if they had gathered evidence. But that's just my opinion and it may not be popular here.
Null has been whining and griping about this shadowy cabal of trannies who know every tech CEO's personal phone number, and break into his house and make his coke go flat and pick all the pepperoni off his pizza for years now but has he provided any actual evidence?
I don't really see Josh showing up to any court hearing in person. Not because of vigilantism, but he probably doesn't want to be held criminally accountable for his actions.
There is no fucking way Null will ever show up in court himself. That's what he's paying Hardin for. Null always finds another male, who represents an idealized version of himself, to hide behind. This is what he has done throughout his life, and Hardin is just the latest front for Null.
There is no fucking way Null will ever show up in court himself. That's what he's paying Hardin for. Null always find another male, who represents an idealized version of himself, to hide behind. This is what he has done throughout his life, and Hardin is just the latest front for Null.
He has had a long list of e-daddies you are certainly right. It's really too bad this isn't the sort of thing that would be broadcast I would kill to watch that.
On the topics of fair use criticism of porn uploaded to Kiwifarms as a form of "porno-laundering", Epik, banks, and morality clauses...
Here's what Null the trad-LARPer doesn't understand: a lot of banks consider porn to be so toxic and crime-adjacent that they've put morality clauses in their contracts, forcing their customers to not use their systems for any sex work related activity. Morality Clauses started out in the entertainment business and are often used in pre-nups, but they've made their way into different kinds of business contracts, including banking contracts.
Has Null the trad-LARPer ever considered the possibility that the reason why Epik doesn't want any porn at all (not just CP, ANY, as stated in their ToS) is because their bank doesn't allow them to? And that other ISPs likewise don't want to do business with KF because the forum is proveably full of porn?
I was listening to this Democrat OnlyFans whore on this podcast interview with Dylan Burns and Riley Graceless NoSchlong (one of the Caraballo-associated trannie lawyers), and the point she makes here is actually very relevant to KF and Epik: "A lot of banks have morality clauses... Major banks, Bank of America has done it, Chase has done it. Credit Union seem to be a little bit so-and-so, that's a lot of advice a lot of us get, it's to start banking with them. We're not allowed on apps like PayPal, we're not allowed on Venmo."... she kinda sounds just like Null bitching about his banking situation, no?
Indeed, there was a thread on Reddit for OnlyFans whores, telling them who to bank with (deleted of course!):
Here's a 10 months old post from an e-whore celebrating the fact that they found a bank willing to do business with them:
Hey everyone! I know that we all have issues with morality clauses for banks so I did some legwork of actually calling some and asking directly "are your regulations sex worker friendly?" and, after many embarrassed bank tellers, I HAVE AN ANSWER.
UMPQUA BANK OF THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST DOES NOT HAVE ANY CLAUSES AGAINST LEGAL SEX WORK. THIS IS A SAFER OPTION THAN WELLS FARGO OR BANK OF AMERICA OR ANY OF THE HUGE MAINSTREAM BANKS.
Granted, there is nothing saying they can't change their rules down the line but for now, as of today I have it confirmed through them directly that there is nothing in their clauses that prevents this kind of work.
I really hope this helps someone <3 because I know I was freaking the hell out over banks closing accounts.
LMAO, if Null is still looking for a bank in the US he should actually start reading all these sex worker threads, looks like they might have some good leads for him, LMAOOO!
If that OnlyFans whore from the video above is also a lawyer and is bitching about the banks, why doesn't Null get her on his legal team? She literally says that the banks have crippled Section 230 with their morality clauses! Isn't that argument like music to the ears of Null and Hardin, even if it's from the dirty mouth of an OnlyFans whore?
Is Null still gonna gaslight Kiwis into thinking that Epik wouldn't have blocked his domain if they kept uploading all that porn onto the Farms? Does Null insist that Epik should've risked their bank account just for the sake of Null's Righteous Quest against the LGBT, which apparently uncludes cross-posting every LGBT porn image to KF?
Null really should ask himself why he needs to archive all this porn on his forum under the guise of shocking the normies into awareness of the evils of the LGBT. Do you really need to cross-post all of Orion's trannie porn onto KF, when you already have all of his DMs where he's caught in 4k, where he openly admits to being a predator and committing CSA over and over? What does cross-posting all of Orion's trannie porn contribute to the thread, when you already have all the evidence of him telling on himself?
Here is the Orion thread (replace the X with whatever top level domain they're using now, I have no idea where they are with this anymore):
Here's an example of a Kiwi cross-posting literally all of Orion's trannie-porn into his thread, on the 3rd page of the thread: "you can just show them his own porn videos (attached below) to prove his degeneracy"
He was dumb enough to post pornography of himself gooning/dildoing while his face was clearly visible so you can just show them his own porn videos (attached below) to prove his degeneracy instead of trying to convince anyone verbally:
Why would you need to "show them[? LE?] his porn to prove his degeneracy"... when you already have all his DMs of him admitting to multiple crimes?
Then another KF user shows up, who proceeds to archive all of Orion's trannie porn in a .zip file on two different other file sharing websites, one of which is a .ru Russian website:
Due to the risk of him going down the DFE route combined with the file size limitation on this site I've downloaded and re-uploaded all files from the site you provided to some third party sites:
So not only do you have Orion's trannie porn being shared on KF itself, there's also a spreading effect: from there it gets copied onto two other websites as well, including a Russian one.
Another Kiwi then responds to the above post with the .zip archives, telling the guy to get the .zip files archived on KF itself. He tells the other user to contact "Null or a different jannie", who usually don't allow such large .zips to be posted on KF but who will apparently make an exception for this .zip posted onto KF, even and despite the large file-size:
Ping Josh or a different Janny. For stuff like this they make exceptions for the file size limits
Clearly whomever needed to upload .zip files of pornography knew that they could ping Null or the moderators about it, and they would make an exception on the file size rules just to allow all of that trannie porn to be archived on the forum.
Does Null really insist that cross-posting a pedophile's entire back-catalogue of trannie porn onto the KF - either as individual video files to be played onto the forum itself, or as one large .zip file to be downloaded - is somehow a form of fair use criticism? No, you are just wholesale re-posting and spreading all of his porn at that point... on an ISP that very clearly stated in their ToS they don't want ANY of this.
Null, you really need to understand that an ISP is not going to risk their bank account just for the sake of your forum being filled to the brim with some pedophile's trannie porn posted in threefold. If you and your users' refuse to understand how this fact alone - a commercial business like an ISP needs to have a bank account to do business - gives Epik a very strong argument against you and your forum in court, I don't know what the hell to tell you to talk some sense into you.
There is no fucking way Null will ever show up in court himself. That's what he's paying Hardin for. Null always finds another male, who represents an idealized version of himself, to hide behind. This is what he has done throughout his life, and Hardin is just the latest front for Null.
I like it when fatties get the only suit that fits around their gut but then it's way oversized everywhere else and they end up with jackets with giant sleeves and huge shoulders and it makes them look even more ridiculous.
It's pathetic how Kiwis just gave Null $150k, double the original goal of 75k, but literally within a day he was saying: "Geez, thanks y'all... but that's not enough! I need moar!". He won't even disclose which the firm in Australia is asking $1000 an hour to appeal Vincent's default judgement. No one is even asking why Vincent can't raise any money on his own, or create his own fundraiser to chip in with Null's.
Null is sneaky, so he doesn't verbalize the actual asking of the half a million dollars. Instead he mentions that number on MATI and leaves it dangling out there, so Kiwis will catch his drift and keep donating.
I believe Kiwis are delirious to such an extent that they'll give it to him, you watch. This has become like a feeding frenzy, where Kiwis think "Null is gunna get the troons". Mind you, this is supposed to be the most anal, nitpicky, critical group of people on the internet, who will tear everyone else to shreds over the slightest detail that seems off, but they are willing to suspend all disbelief when it comes to enabling Null.
If Null goes to court and Epik, Caraballo & LFJ block everything with either anti-SLAPP or 230 immunity (in Epik's case), don't say I didn't warn you.
Blow to the Kwiffar wanting to donate to joshy's fund for paying off debts, not for fightin' fer freezin' peeeecheezzz. I got to ask: Why now? Shurely the bank would have picked up on this earlier?
Blow to the Kwiffar wanting to donate to joshy's fund for paying off debts, not for fightin' fer freezin' peeeecheezzz. I got to ask: Why now? Shurely the bank would have picked up on this earlier?
Holy shit what kind of amateur hour is this? If this isn't permissable why did Null's lawyer even suggest it in the first place? This is looking even more sketchy than it did originally. Of course Null deflects onto the banks rather than take one ounce of responsibility for not being prepared. this is why he doesn't want to talk about it. He and his lawyer dont understand how to manipulate it.
Holy shit what kind of amateur hour is this? If this isn't permissable why did Null's lawyer even suggest it in the first place? This is looking even more sketchy than it did originally. Of course Null deflects onto the banks rather than take one ounce of responsibility for not being prepared. this is why he doesn't want to talk about it. He and his lawyer dont understand how to manipulate it.
Something isn't adding up. How can a bank demand that Null's lawyer stop the IOLTA? And Null doesn't explain how he could pay the fees with all the crypto he has.
I explained that he'd probably lose the Epik lawsuit, because he previously stated that users posted CP to one of his sites and he complained that Linode locked his servers for it.
I think Null got pretty upset at me, because he banned me after that (for "spam") , deleted all my other comments, and deleted my avatar.
I explained that he'd probably lose the Epik lawsuit, because he previously stated that users posted CP to one of his sites and he complained that Linode locked his servers for it.
I think Null got pretty upset at me, because he banned me after that (for "spam") , deleted all my other comments, and deleted my avatar.
Something isn't adding up. How can a bank demand that Null's lawyer stop the IOLTA? And Null doesn't explain how he could pay the fees with all the crypto he has.
Im glad someone in this story is questioning the legitimacy of "Sure jewsh, here's X thousand dollars I had lying around." flooding the KF thread around the IOLTA donations.
The responses to that thread are the most fucking brainless hivemind redditor shit I have every seen on that site holy fuck. These people really do treat jewsh as some sort of cult leader fuck me. You'd think a site based entirely on making fun of lolcows would especially avoid any sort of cult of personality, even more so if it's an e-celeb (z rank e-celeb too). This is just pure fucking reddit with 2016 4-chan esque coating on the top, aka the worst type of online garbage imaginable
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