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So I did some more research into this case. It appears that there wasn't an actual back and forth between the plaintiff and the defendant in this case. There was merely a default judgement because the defendant didn't show up in court to defend himself. I wouldn't call that a "win".

Here is the linked in post from Liz Fong-Jones' lawyer Toby Mullen, who himself admits that the case he "won" is, quote, "undefended", thus essentially admitting he just got lucky because the defendant didn't show up:

Toby Mullen
Barrister at Victorian Bar

Defamation damages: Yesterday, the Supreme Court of Victoria awarded our client $445,000 (including aggravated damages and interest) and indemnity costs, for the widespread publication of a vile, abusive, transphobic defamatory thread on an internet discussion forum on the Kiwi Farms website.

While undefended, the case was still both legally challenging and interesting – it involved a successful freezing order application, the novel application of principles from Webb v Bloch and Voller (based primarily on the use of IP Blocks to direct internet traffic to the forum), serious harm where the matter was downloaded inside and outside of Australia, and the new damages provisions. More importantly, it was a great outcome for our client, which hopefully goes some way to addressing the immense harm she has suffered over the past 13 months.

Unfortunately, there are no reasons concerning the freezing order or liability (as it was a default judgment). However, I’ve attached the damages reasons. Thanks to my very capable instructor, Tyler Wolff, for the instructions. Happy to discuss the case further with anyone interested.


Liz Fong-Jones responds saying:

Liz Fong-Jones
(She/Her)
• out of network3rd+
Field CTO @ honeycomb.io
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I'm incredibly grateful for the work that you and Tyler Wolff put in over the past year or so, and hopeful that perhaps now there will be some accountability for those who think they can harass and defame while using hosting resources in Australia.



So, the only reason Liz Fong-Jones has "won" this case was because Vincent was too busy playing Dota2 on Steam with Null and the Russians to bother getting a lawyer to defend himself. I don't consider that an actual win, Liz Fong-Jones just got lucky that the defendant in this case was "too busy playing Dota2" (read: fucking retarded) to defend himself. Vincent clearly has no idea how the legal system works, and apparently thinks that a judge can just decide on his own whether to throw out a case or not, with no input needed or allowed from the defendant. If that was the case, no one would ever need a defense lawyer, judges would just read motions and decide on their own whether to grant whatever the plaintiff is asking. You, as a defendant, get sued in order to go in court and tell your side of the story to convince the judge otherwise. Even if a case is very obviously spurious and bad faith, you still have to go to court and tell the judge the freaking obvious. It fucking sucks but that's the legal system.

In other words, there was no actual arguments being made in court in this case, there was only a default judgement being issued, essentially punishing Vincent for being too retarded to show up in court. We can only hope that Null's 先生 takes some time of from playing Dota2 to file a timely appeal.

In fact, the article that was published about his case in The Guardian admits as much, that the actual legal argument made by Liz Fong-Jones in this case remains unaddressed because Vincent didn't defend himself:

Liz Fong-Jones, a longtime crusader against the site, brought the action over what she asserted in court documents was an “abusive, transphobic, defamatory” thread targeting her on the forum since August last year.

In hundreds of posts, the Kiwi Farm’s users discussed information about her work, her partner and her family. They shared “vile and baseless” allegations that she was a rapist and a liar and that she had molested and threatened subordinates, which the judge found caused serious harm to her “very good” reputation.

Messages were sent to work colleagues and posted under her employer’s online videos.

In September 2022, a picnic with supporters she hosted in Sydney’s Hyde Park was surreptitiously photographed and pictures of participants were posted on the forum too.

Run by Joshua Moon, one of Kiwi Farms’s main activities is the sustained exposure of people the site deems worthy of derision – as the site describes it, “lolcows” that are “milked” for entertainment.

The case claimed that a Brisbane-based company, Flow Chemical, and its sole director, Vincent Zhen, were “instrumental” to its publication and for keeping it accessible, even though they were not the authors of the defamatory Kiwi Farms thread.

Because the matter was undefended, an interlocutory judgment was made against Flow Chemical and Zhen in July and Fong-Jones was awarded damages of $445,000 plus costs this week.
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Both Zhen and the company were found to have attempted to avoid service and did not accept a reasonable settlement offer, according to the judgment, and ultimately did not defend the case.

Holding the owner of IP addresses liable for defamation reaches deep into the infrastructure of the internet and is a disputed area of law. But David Rolph, a defamation expert at the University of Sydney law school, said that because the case was undefended, arguments about whether it constituted “publication” by this form of internet intermediary remained unsettled.

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Zhen did not respond to a request for comment.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...silence-the-notorious-online-forum-kiwi-farms
Archive: https://archive.ph/tatiE
 
Oh okay that seems plausible.
Gays hasn't got a fucking clue, just like you, Rum Dumb.
You can also knock off the tryhard shit with using the wrong pronouns,
Fong is a biological man, tho.
I'm pretty sure the cult expelled you anyway
Yeah, that's true. Gays is still bitter.
Do you have any takes on the Russell Greer suit
The try hard comment would have gotten you the block button. Gays is block button happy. However, copyright infringement is his best bet. Wouldn't hold your your breath. The strain on your booze damaged heart might kill you.
 
You can also knock off the tryhard shit with using the wrong pronouns, I'm pretty sure the cult expelled you anyway.
The fact that I'm no longer on KF doesn't mean I've stopped hating TRAs. I already hated TRAs before I got on KF and I hate them even more now that I'm no longer there. Liz Fong-Jones is a sadistic delusional man pretending to be a victim of KF to distract from all the cybercrimes he knowingly and intentionally planned, aided and abetted against KF. I will never change my opinion on TRAs or Liz Fong-Jones. I will still hate them and speak out against them after KF is gone. Die mad about it.

 
The fact that I'm no longer on KF doesn't mean I've stopped hating TRAs. I already hated TRAs before I got on KF and I hate them even more now that I'm no longer there. Liz Fong-Jones is a sadistic delusional man pretending to be a victim of KF to distract from all the cybercrimes he knowingly and intentionally planned, aided and abetted against KF. I will never change my opinion on TRAs or Liz Fong-Jones. I will still hate them and speak out against them after KF is gone. Die mad about it.

I love how Ashley used to reply to every Gays from LA posts in the KF General thread but is now angry at them because they hate TRAs.
 
@Empresa can you please merge this thread with the one below? Let's not have a bunch of different threads and posts about this, let's have them all in one place in the Joshua Moon subforum:

 
This is the last time I am posting these screenshots. I had already posted them in Null's thread, but I guess no one here actually reads anything I post.

This is #DropKiwiFarms participants discussing Vincent's company Flow Chemical while spreading around a .pdf about Flow Chemical's relationship to Null's 1776 Solutions/Lolcow company:

DropKFDDoSingFlowChemicalPtyLtd.jpg
Struggs_Drama_doesnt_exist_but_their_tweets_still_do02.jpg
FlowChemicalUsingAnAsianPacificAllocatedIPSpace.jpg


So, once again:

1) Odysseus did not discover any of this information about Flow Chemical on his own, he merely came to OnionFarms and began to regurgitate information that #DropKiwiFarms had already been spreading on social media for months during their campaign, claiming their information as his own. Instead of just linking to the .pdf that #DropKiwiFarms had been spreading on Twitter, he took whatever was already made public in that .pdf and presented them as his very own exclusive scoop.

2) Liz Fong-Jones knew about Flow Chemical enabling KF to get and stay online and had likely already decided to target Flow Chemical the moment he learned about their existence and relationship to KF. That Flow Chemical is run by Null's best friend Vincent is likely not lost on Liz Fong-Jones either. Liz Fong-Jones is a sadist and very likely savours the idea of turning Null and Vincent against one another as a result of this latest default judgement.

3) Liz Fong-Jones is a pathological liar who is using the thin veneer and pretense of "online activism" to hide the true and original intention behind the #DropKiwiFarms campaign, which was to unleash a continuous wave of cybercrimes against KF, that Liz Fong-Jones knowingly and intentionally enabled and abetted against KF. Liz Fong-Jones is not a victim, he is a perpetrator. If Null was smart, he would've have sued Liz Fong-Jones first. Now Null is forced to defend his best friend Vincent against Liz Fong-Jones, which puts Null in a weaker position legally, since he's neither a defendant or a plaintiff in this case. The sheer ridiculousness of Null being the impetus for this lolsuit against Vincent, but not a direct party in the case, that shouldn't be lost on anyone.
 
This is what Liz Fong-Jones wanted to achieve:


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This is now the top hit when I type "Vincent Zhen" into Bing.

Liz Fong-Jones wanted to cause reputational damage to someone Null actually cares about.

Imagine making a OF account just to tell me, of all people, that I should refer to a sadistic liar like Liz Fong-Jones as a woman. I do not see a woman when I look at Liz Fong-Jones, I see a man looking like a man, sounding like a man and behaving like a man. Liz Fong-Jones is a troon because he is a homosexual Asian man with daddy issues, plain and simple. If you see woman when you look at Liz Fong-Jones, you need a new pair of glasses. Just because I'm no longer on KF doesn't mean I have changed my mind about TRAs or Liz Fong-Jones. KF isn't the reason I think about TRAs the way I do. I don't hate TRAs because of KF, I hate them because I have seen them destroy countless of innocent people's lives over completely trivial irrelevant bullshit.

Here's list of all the legal crowdfunders from the victims of TRAs. I had posted this list on KF too at the time of #DropKiwiFarms, as an illustration of TRA litigiousness:

TRALitigiousness.jpg


I know these TRAs are litigious bastards who will abuse the legal system to waste people's time, money and energy. I know they are fucking destructive demons who only exist to destroy lives and force their bullshit upon non-consenting others who do not share their warped beliefs. TRAs exist for no other reason than to destroy literally every freedom we take for granted and hold dear.

These people are truly a menace to society and they need to be stopped, by any legal means necessary. That's what Null doesn't understand about TRAs, how fucking vicious and obsessed they really are once they've declared someone a target. The only way to stop them is to nip that entire movement in the bud. That's why Null should've sued Liz Fong-Jones into the ground himself over the cybercrimes of #DropKiwiFarms instead of waiting for things to get to where they are now. Null knew that Liz Fong-Jones couldn't do shit legally in the US against him, so he rested on his laurels thinking he was good. Now Null has to defend his best friend in a lolsuit in a foreign country in which Null isn't even a direct party to the lolsuit, which is a very poor position to litigate from.

I anticipated that Liz Fong-Jones was going to engage in libel tourism. I anticipated that he was going to forum shop and try to sue Null in a foreign jurisdicition to get a leg up on him, because that's what obsessed litigious bastards with money always do: they become libel tourists. That's why I sent Null the contact information of different lawyers in different jurisdictions who might be able to help him, because I saw that's where Liz Fong-Jones was going to take things. I read Liz Fong-Jones's KF thread, there I read that he is ex-Google (so basically a technocrat technonatsee) and that he had left the company with a golden parachute after suing them, so I knew LFJ was litiguous and would happily abuse the courts to get his way. Instead of appreciating the gesture and the warning on my part, Null said that I was too stupid to be on his web forum and banned me. Well, at least I'm not as stupid as Vincent to think I can just ignore a subpoena and expect the judge to handle things on his own.

Take for example fund raising. Null is going to have to set up a legal crowdfunding campaign to help Vincent appeal the verdict. People on KF know who Null is but unless they have listened to old MATI episodes, they have no idea who Vincent is. On top of that, a lot of the people on KF who are into Null are far right racists who hate anything non-white, so if Null raises the begging bowl to these racists asking them to help his Chinese-Australian friend, they're gonna say they're not interested in "helping some dumb chink immigrant who was too busy playing Dota2 to bother getting a lawyer when he got sued" (see how that works Null? You cultivated this far right audience that hates your best friend for whom he is. This is whom you've surrounded yourself with now.)

Liz Fong-Jones is a cybercriminal hiding behind the thin veneer and pretense of online activism. Liz Fong-Jones targeted Cloudflare with the explicit intent of enabling cybercrimes against KF. There is literally no reason to take away someone's DDoS protection or someone's anti-virus software unless you intend to attack them with DDoS or infect them with a virus. The intent behind #DropKiwiFarms was always explicitly cybercriminal. If you are cheering for LFJ, you are cheering for cybercrimes and using crimes to get your way. The reason LFJ will not sue Null in the US is because they're both Americans, so LFJ knows an American lolsuit will go nowhere. LFJ targeted Null's best friend Vincent in Australia out of pure opportunistic sadism. This isn't about denying Null his IP space. LFJ wanted to hurt Null where it really hurts and Vincent was the means to do so.

If you read Null's comments on KF about this verdict, you will see that Null is still very reluctant to disclose anything about his personal relationship with Vincent, but everybody knows that Null and Vincent are more than just business partners, and that Null holds his 先生 Vincent in high esteem. Since Null doesn't have a family that LFJ can target - Vordrak already did that before Liz - Liz decided to target the only person he knew was close to Null, and that was Vincent. Null said that Liz Fong-Jones likes to target women, but since there isn't a public woman in Null's life, Liz Fong-Jones targeted the next best thing, the Asian man in Null's life.
 
Null's MATI stans are crying in the MATI thread because Null won't be Livestreaming this week, presumably because he is too busy getting Vincent a lawyer - that Vincent, despite his infinite life wisdom that he bestowed upon Null, couldn't be bothered to get on his own:

"Because the matter was undefended, an interlocutory judgment was made against Flow Chemical and Zhen in July and Fong-Jones was awarded damages of $445,000 plus costs this week."
Imagine losing 1/2 million dollars cause some tranny filed some frivolous lawsuit against someone else cause you didnt bother to show up. Australia is incredibly cucked and should just sink beneath the ocean; Sydney's skyline would make a nice new reef.


It's amazing to me how these MATI people who run their mouths about everything and everyone under the sun still have no idea how the legal system actually works. What do these ignorant MATI people think a "harassment lolsuit" is? The very purpose of a harassment lolsuit is to force the defendant to go into court and waste money and time in order to explain the freaking obvious to a judge: "Judge, this lolsuit is forum shopping libel tourism by an American plaintiff who decided to sue, not the website owner himself who is also an American and protected under 1A and Section 230, but rather to sue a business associate of the website owner in Australia, because Liz Fong-Jones knew he couldn't sue the website owner himself or get him prosecuted in the US. Liz Fong-Jones knows he cannot have this Australian verdict re-inforced in the US because of the SPEECH Act barring such foreign jurisdiction libel tourism verdicts from being re-infored in the US. This is plainly a bad faith lolsuit and the verdict is legally moot because it cannot be used against KF or Null in the US, so please throw out this bullshit lolsuit. Oh, and please make Liz Fong-Jones pay for my legal fees, because we know on the basis of public court documents that Liz Fong-Jones received a golden parachute from Google when he sued his former employer over more bullshit, so Liz has the money to pay for my legal expenses that came out of forcing me to respond to his bullshit harassment lolsuit.".

That's what you have to do in response to a harassment lolsuit. If judges could decide lolsuits on their own, we wouldn't have a legal system.

I am still perplexed that Vincent was apparently served but supposedly didn't tell a soul about it, not even Null.
How can you trust someone who receives a wholeass subpoena, in which you and your company are brought up over and over as the impetus for the lolsuit, and doesn't even tell you about it?
Personally, this is all the proof I need of Null's very poor judgement of people.

Edit: Now Null says that he might still Livestream... or he might not. What a freaking mess:

Stream today at 5pm ET / 11pm EU.

My schedule may be completely thrown off for the rest of the year. I will let you guys know as soon as I know if my times will be different or if I have to cancel.



BTW, why has Null begun spelling his name as "Dzhosua"? Is he ripping me off because I spell "Jews" as "Dzooz"? I do that to make fun of antisemites who believe that (((Dzooz))) run everything, it's a spelling that I myself stole from Encyclopedia Dramatica so it's not even an original joke. Correct me if I'm wrong but AFAIK, ED were the firsts to spell Jews as "Dzooz" on their Wiki articles, and they used that spelling in order to make fun of online antisemites who think Dzooz are the NWO. So why is Null, an antisemite, stealing a joke that was meant to ridicule antisemites like himself?
 
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Null's MATI stans are crying in the MATI thread because Null won't be Livestreaming this week, presumably because he is too busy getting Vincent a lawyer - that Vincent, despite his infinite life wisdom that he bestowed upon Null, couldn't be bothered to get on his own:



It's amazing to me how these MATI people who run their mouths about everything and everyone under the sun still have no idea how the legal system actually works. What do these ignorant MATI people think a "harassment lolsuit" is? The very purpose of a harassment lolsuit is to force the defendant to go into court and waste money and time in order to explain the freaking obvious to a judge: "Judge, this lolsuit is forum shopping libel tourism by an American plaintiff who decided to sue, not the website owner himself who is also an American and protected under 1A and Section 230, but rather to sue a business associate of the website owner in Australia, because Liz Fong-Jones knew he couldn't sue the website owner himself or get him prosecuted in the US. Liz Fong-Jones knows he cannot have this Australian verdict re-inforced in the US because of the SPEECH Act barring such foreign jurisdiction libel tourism verdicts from being re-infored in the US. This is plainly a bad faith lolsuit and the verdict is legally moot because it cannot be used against KF or Null in the US, so please throw out this bullshit lolsuit. Oh, and please make Liz Fong-Jones pay for my legal fees, because we know on the basis of public court documents that Liz Fong-Jones received a golden parachute from Google when he sued his former employer over more bullshit, so Liz has the money to pay for my legal expenses that came out of forcing me to respond to his bullshit harassment lolsuit.".

That's what you have to do in response to a harassment lolsuit. If judges could decide lolsuits on their own, we wouldn't have a legal system.

I am still perplexed that Vincent was apparently served but supposedly didn't tell a soul about it, not even Null.
How can you trust someone who receives a wholeass subpoena, in which you and your company are brought up over and over as the impetus for the lolsuit, and doesn't even tell you about it?
Personally, this is all the proof I need of Null's very poor judgement of people.

Edit: Now Null says that he might still Livestream... or he might not. What a freaking mess:



BTW, why has Null begun spelling his name as "Dzhosua"? Is he ripping me off because I spell "Jews" as "Dzooz"? I do that to make fun of antisemites who believe that (((Dzooz))) run everything, it's a spelling that I myself stole from Encyclopedia Dramatica so it's not even an original joke. Correct me if I'm wrong but AFAIK, ED were the firsts to spell Jews as "Dzooz" on their Wiki articles, and they used that spelling in order to make fun of online antisemites who think Dzooz are the NWO. So why is Null, an antisemite, stealing a joke that was meant to ridicule antisemites like himself?
No idea but all these niggas are fags over stupid ass shit. We know Null won't listen to shit, Liz is a faggot who sucks cock up his mouth and Vincent is a bitch ass nigga who's friend is a piss-loving shotacon retard. Why are we even feeling sorry for Null when the nigga has never had pussy or kids once? Null lies about shit. Lies about living in another country. Even lies about being in one that is fighting with Russia right now. The nigga lies so much you could make a book on how liars get away with lying about shit. If Null loses his fight? That is on him and him alone. The nigga can't even take the advice of moving his IP servers to fucking North Korea. That is how fucking weak null is. At least North Korea won't listen to trannies or pedos if they ask them to take down shit. Null would love North Korea given they hate the West just like Null. But you know? Null is a retard who listens to cum babies that cum in his tiny ass. He is once a Florida man always a Florida man. Fuck his ass and hope he gets raped in prison for many years to come. He did this to himself. And his coding fucking sucks too.
 
Worlds smallest violin. Gays is too stupid to think "hhmmmmm, I block everybody, so maybe I haven't seen any reaction to my shitty posts, feel sorry for me..."

What a dumb cunt.
Ironically gays is the only one i blocked to try and see if it helped with the loading. Only slightly but i still have him blocked because 90 percent of the scrolling on the pages are usually from his posts that are as long as a page from the old Testament. It saves me the effort since i barely read anything he posts unless its short anyway. I can just press show hidden messages if i care enough to look.
 
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