Null 🥝 Joshua Moon Megathread

[Kiwi Pot Pie]

So what do I see when Jersh is being once again financially irresponsible? He decides to sue a troon that hasn't been a threat to Internet free speech since the days of Keffals. Didn't Jersh just recently put it on record that if he finds himself in legal trouble again that may be the end of Kiwi Farms? So why is he suing a troon most people on the Internet have forgotten now and there is a high possibility that he may either lose in his lawsuit or his lawsuit gets diminished by a judge? That money that the Kiwis have donated to Jersh for this lolsuit may likely be in vain.

It is not as pointless or irresponsible as you are saying. Josh is suing LFJ so that a judge pre-emptively dismisses LFJ's copyright violation claim he has raised against him. The way the law is set up means Josh HAS to sue LFJ now, otherwise LFJ gets another piece of ammo against him to use in his own lawsuit against Kiwi Farms. And this is no empty threat from LFJ since he is using a loophole in copyright law to legally remove posts in his thread. The problem for LFJ is that Kiwi Farms has a good case for fair use therefore LFJ is committing DMCA abuse.

I think Josh started poorly in this lawsuit. He should have complied with the DMCA request, put up a passive aggressive message explaining why it was censored (like he does for all the revenge porn he has to remove), and fought the DMCA in court. Leaving it up has opened him to additional liability and potentially killed a very winnable case before it even began (remember the Greer case) or maybe even opened him to getting far more legal penalty (to the tune of 300,000 dollars).

Basically this was always going to be a lawsuit since the alternative is letting LFJ moderate his own thread and no doubt other threads using the DMCA, the only difference is who sued who first. I do not believe Josh will continue to sue LFJ if he wins, since Josh lacks any claim on him (beside getting the court to rule that LFJ's DMCA claims are bunk). Beside, why would Josh want to sue LFJ when he can take advantage of him as the scary litigious bogeyman about to snuff out free speech on the internet unless you donate to the "United States Internet Preservation Society." Actually winning a lawsuit against him (for what, I have no idea, hence why Josh would lose an actual lawsuit against LFJ) would mean less donations.

As for the mysterious jump in people writing Josh checks, I think it is obvious that a big financial donor (Gabe Hoffman maybe) just dropped Josh a few thousand bucks and Josh updated the stats to give the impression there are hundreds of new donors. Josh is absolutely going to milk the "free speech under attack" angle because like I said, this is a grifter vs grifter lawsuit.

 

[cosmic veteran]

least cocksucking user.

 

[Kan]

The way I see it, let them kill each other, for all I care.

null posted (fatly) in the anachan thread that he was asking AI how to replace eggs in cooking and it told him to cook with blood.
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https://archive.ph/wip/l5TDB

Meaning that Kiwi Farmers can never truly hold the “boiling burgers” thing against Ken, ever again.

 

[Meatwad]

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least cocksucking user.

It'd be easier to write this off as a shitpost if he didn't dedicate his life to serving Jewsh. For all we know, these could be his actual thoughts.

 

[cosmic veteran]

It'd be easier to write this off as a shitpost if he didn't dedicate his life to serving Jewsh.

For all we know, these could be his actual thoughts.

you know what? yeah, maybe you're right. this is cancer a.k.a daniel after all

 

[The Gays From LA]

Lolcow LLC v. Fong Jones is on.

Hardin seems to be seeking a "Declatory Judgement".

He's suing LFJ in New York under 28 USC paragraph 2201

(a) In a case of actual controversy within its jurisdiction, except with respect to Federal taxes other than actions brought under section 7428 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, a proceeding under section 505 or 1146 of title 11, or in any civil action involving an antidumping or countervailing duty proceeding regarding a class or kind of merchandise of a free trade area country (as defined in section 516A(f)(9) of the Tariff Act of 1930), as determined by the administering authority, any court of the United States, upon the filing of an appropriate pleading, may declare the rights and other legal relations of any interested party seeking such declaration, whether or not further relief is or could be sought. Any such declaration shall have the force and effect of a final judgment or decree and shall be reviewable as such.

https://law.justia.com/codes/us/title-28/part-vi/chapter-151/sec-2201/

So LFJ threatened to sue Null for copyright infringement, but Null claims that copyrighted materials were used in the context of protected Fair Use criticism, so that doesn't constitute a copyright violation.

If I understand this correctly, Null wants the NY court to affirm that KiwiFarms has a Fair Use right enable users to criticize public figures such as LFJ, including the use of copyrighted materials such as a Bsky post or a troon's glamour shot as part of that Fair Use criticism, and since such a judgement under USC 28 section 2201 has "the force and effect of final judgement", then LJF will not be able to file the copyright lolsuits he's been threatening to file against KF. So Null is using USC 28 to pre-empt LFJ carrying out his legal threats.

I have a question about this statement though, in paragraph 8 on page 3:

On information and belief, Fong-Jones is a citizen of either Australia and Canada and is not a citizen of the United States.

I thought Liz Fong Jones had moved to China for some tech gig there after Trump got elected? I remember him posting a screenshot of his itinerary to China on social media, but it was a while back so might have moved elsewhere since.

Under paragraph 12 on page 5, Hardin writes:

Additionally, this Court has diversity jurisdiction pursuant to 28 USC paragraph 1332(a) because the Plaintiff is a West Virginia LLC with its sole member being a domiciliary of Florida, and (on information and belief) Defendant is a citizen of foreign country and is not domiciled in either West Virginia or Florida.

I don't know if LFJ can credibly invoke "forum shopping", given that he filed a lolsuit against Vincent all the way in Australia, also the Brooklyn apartment coupled with the NY lawfirm are together undeniable forum contact with NY, but he still might pull such a move. I am more interested in what the legal argument is for the claim that Fair Use rights trump copyright grievances. Maybe if Null can convince the NY court that LFJ's copyright complaint about the Bsky post and the glamour shot were prima facie in bad faith.

I'm gonna do a little more research into 28 USC later to see if other social media platforms have used that particular law to pre-empt bad faith copyright lolsuits that violate Fair Use rights.

 

[The Gays From LA]

and now those same people, Jones included, feel confident enough in their future victories to restart #DropKiwiFarms.

I wouldn't exactly refer to a plainly bad faith copyright complaint over a Bsky post and a glamour shot as "restarting #DropKiwiFarms". This copyright thing with the Bsky post and the glamour shot rather seems like the kind of complaint that a troon would attempt when he knows he no longer has any cultural currency in the US legal system. LFJ knows he can't go to court in US right now and crybully his way to a victory just by being an aggrieved troon, so he's acting more like a matter-of-fact businessman this time claiming his copyrights were violated, and gimme money pronto. Again, I need to see if other social media platforms have already used 28 USC p. 2201 as a way to pre-empt malicious copyright complaints from proceeding. I won't comment on the prospects of Null's lolsuit against LFJ until I've done more research.

 

[Durin]

The grift is in:
https://www.givesendgo.com/DefendTheFarmsView attachment 109316

I thought KF was told directly by the company to not use GiveSendGo for their website anymore?

 

[The Gays From LA]

He's only 12k short of his goal now. USD $88,008 at last refresh

Very generous donos too, highest amount I saw was $ 1776.00 USD, and there were two of those:

I counted at least six $1000 donos. Another high donation I saw was $ 1337.00 USD

Funny, I was told here on OnionFarms that KF is like totally on its last legs and all the users and moderators have turned against Null, and it's only leftists, blacks and troons posting there now. If that's true, who's making all these donations? The troons, the blacks and the leftists?

 

[ipreferpickles]

I wouldn't exactly refer to a plainly bad faith copyright complaint over a Bsky post and a glamour shot as "restarting #DropKiwiFarms". This copyright thing with the Bsky post and the glamour shot rather seems like the kind of complaint that a troon would attempt when he knows he no longer has any cultural currency in the US legal system. LFJ knows he can't go to court in US right now and crybully his way to a victory just by being an aggrieved troon, so he's acting more like a matter-of-fact businessman this time claiming his copyrights were violated, and gimme money pronto. Again, I need to see if other social media platforms have already used 28 USC p. 2201 as a way to pre-empt malicious copyright complaints from proceeding. I won't comment on the prospects of Null's lolsuit against LFJ until I've done more research.

It's only going to escalate from here. Trannies smell blood in the water.

Funny, I was told here on OnionFarms that KF is like totally on its last legs and all the users and moderators have turned against Null, and it's only leftists, blacks and troons posting there now. If that's true, who's making all these donations? The troons, the blacks and the leftists?

Stop posting like a Temu Daniel Lopez.

 

[Kiwi Pot Pie]

I am more interested in what the legal argument is for the claim that Fair Use rights trump copyright grievances. Maybe if Null can convince the NY court that LFJ's copyright complaint about the Bsky post and the glamour shot were prima facie in bad faith.

Check the lawsuit page on Kiwi Farms. Hardin asserts that one picture is fair use because it is necessary to illustrate the subject for the purpose of the commentary (which was ample and explicitly about the photograph), and the other was edited with text which also constitutes commentary as well as parody (as it uses the consent accident meme). It also appears that Hardin is arguing from copyright law while LFJ's lawyers believed Hardin was using BlueSky's own terms of use to assert fair use. So in that respect, Hardin is one step ahead.

Where I would not be so confident is the lack of proper response to the DMCA claims, as well as the first image. Wikipedia for instance does not use photographs it cannot assert proper copyright claim toward, sometimes even on famous people's articles. Kim Jong Un had some random guy's sketch of him for years because news media owned the copyrights to official North Korean pictures and for whatever reason North Korea's own copyright laws were respected, or something like that. To my knowledge, this situation might be different because the infringing post specifically provided commentary on LFJ's picture while a Wikipedia article on Kim Jong Un is about the subject as a whole.

In any case, I do not think this is an attack on free speech. LFJ is not making new laws or precedents, since DMCA trolls have been around since the DMCA itself. LFJ is using this to settle an old conflict that he himself started (Kiwi Farms ignored him until ~2021 when he started freaking over a 2 year old thread laughing at his 2019 DMCA request) and to put it on his resume for his reputation management company that he was the guy who took down the big bad Kiwi Farms. For people Null explicitly hates and targets, LFJ is among the least sympathetic because he basically started this entire thing himself.

 

[thefrogninja]

I thought KF was told directly by the company to not use GiveSendGo for their website anymore?

He was which is why he's getting around it this time by having Hardin create the fund.

 

[thefrogninja]

Feel free to prove me wrong, but I don't think I've seen a single mod make a post supporting Null against Jones.

Even the mods on Kiwi Farms like AltisticRight are saying they prefer talking to the trans people they know online and in real life than the right wingers they know.

Copyright issues aside, Josh's mods are too afraid to tell him that he literally IS defaming LFJ by calling him a "credibly accused rapist." This claim is so defamatory that Josh's friend Vincent couldn't beat the charges in court. The original allegations LFJ responded too is unknown, the woman deleted her post/account, and "consent accidents" are actually a thing that happens in the BDSM community.
https://kynk101.com/kink-bdsm-facts...t2gTCx5M8H0csnPPdGv0R5UWldB1UhHJOitM978Mu68ZIhttps://www.fetish.com/magazine/fetish-dating/violating-consent-not-d-thing/

 

[Allegedly Assad]

I thought KF was told directly by the company to not use GiveSendGo for their website anymore?

They were. Report and move on

 

[Dude-Weed]

Copyright issues aside, Josh's mods are too afraid to tell him that he literally IS defaming LFJ by calling him a "credibly accused rapist." This claim is so defamatory that Josh's friend Vincent couldn't beat the charges in court. The original allegations LFJ responded too is unknown, the woman deleted her post/account, and "consent accidents" are actually a thing that happens in the BDSM community.
https://kynk101.com/kink-bdsm-facts...t2gTCx5M8H0csnPPdGv0R5UWldB1UhHJOitM978Mu68ZIhttps://www.fetish.com/magazine/fetish-dating/violating-consent-not-d-thing/

Leave it up to this fat retard to fuck up his own lawsuit!

 

[Joshua Conner Moon]

a normie jury would tear this apart the moment fong's attorneys explain what kiwi farms is completely ignoring josh's blatantly defamatory "credibly accused rapist" shit. his genius lawyer literally included an image defaming fong as a rapist in his filing to try to explicitly claim it's 'fair use'

fascinating move to file a lawsuit that could highly likely backfire and result in KF being ordered by a US court to shut down

especially given the genius move of what can easily be construed as blatant harassment of fong in the grift banner

lolcow llc also opens itself up to discovery with a declaratory judgement which will be fun if fong decides to peruse that
it could literally hand fong the emails ips etc of every single user that's ever posted in the fong thread on a silver platter if the judge is sympathetic

 

[Jimmy Hill]

a normie jury would tear this apart the moment fong's attorneys explain what kiwi farms is completely ignoring josh's blatantly defamatory "credibly accused rapist" shit. his genius lawyer literally included an image defaming fong as a rapist in his filing to try to explicitly claim it's 'fair use'

fascinating move to file a lawsuit that could highly likely backfire and result in KF being ordered by a US court to shut down

especially given the genius move of what can easily be construed as blatant harassment of fong in the grift banner
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lolcow llc also opens itself up to discovery with a declaratory judgement which will be fun if fong decides to peruse that
it could literally hand fong the emails ips etc of every single user that's ever posted in the fong thread on a silver platter if the judge is sympathetic

The judge who overlooks the district that Josh and Hardin filed in is a black female liberal judge that was appointed by Bill Clinton just before he left office. https://news.law.fordham.edu/blog/2...w-schools-115th-diploma-ceremony-on-may-23rd/

 

[Dude-Weed]

The judge who overlooks the district that Josh and Hardin filed in is a black female liberal judge that was appointed by Bill Clinton just before he left office. https://news.law.fordham.edu/blog/2...w-schools-115th-diploma-ceremony-on-may-23rd/

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Josh is fucked.

 

[Obscenity2022]

a normie jury would tear this apart the moment fong's attorneys explain what kiwi farms is completely ignoring josh's blatantly defamatory "credibly accused rapist" shit. his genius lawyer literally included an image defaming fong as a rapist in his filing to try to explicitly claim it's 'fair use'

fascinating move to file a lawsuit that could highly likely backfire and result in KF being ordered by a US court to shut down

especially given the genius move of what can easily be construed as blatant harassment of fong in the grift banner
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lolcow llc also opens itself up to discovery with a declaratory judgement which will be fun if fong decides to peruse that
it could literally hand fong the emails ips etc of every single user that's ever posted in the fong thread on a silver platter if the judge is sympathetic

i think Josh will just win just based on the odds, combined with the "lolcow modifier" like everyone here assumes he'll lose, so therefore he has to win.

i'm sure Josh has enough experience now that him and his lawyer judge shopped like motherfuckers. they probably filed a lawsuit in a place where every judge has experience being attacked by trannies or something insane like that.

The judge who overlooks the district that Josh and Hardin filed in is a black female liberal judge that was appointed by Bill Clinton just before he left office

ok but have you considered that black females are the most conservative of liberals? she probably hates asians, trannies, and loves gossip.

 

[ipreferpickles]

The TES thread hopes that when the Democrats win in 2028, they have the young men who worked at DOGE executed along with their parents.