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Joshua Conner Moon - Kiwi Farms Joshua Moon Megathread

Joshua Moon the owner of Kiwifarms
thefrogninja said:
A new study is out that details Kiwifarms as a harassment website. Here is the abstract:

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Stoking the Flames: Understanding Escalation in an Online Harassment Community | Proceedings of the ACM on Human-Computer Interaction

Online harassment remains a prevalent problem for internet users. Its impact is made orders of magnitude worse when multiple harassers coordinate to conduct networked attacks. This paper presents an analysis of 231 threads in Kiwi Farms, a notorious ...
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You can bet no one actually read it. How does Josh react to someone's unintelligent analysis of a study he didn't read you say? "The study doesn't agree with me which means it's garbage and biased." When a normal person wants to dismiss a study he'll attempt to dispute the methodology or conclusion, but that takes too much effort (actually reading) for the average Kiwifarms to manage.
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I've mentioned this before but the fact Null/KF allows dox to be posted and stay up in threads on the site really hurts his argument that the site is not (at least inadvertently) about harassment. Especially allowing SSN's is fucking stupid.
 
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Looks like the slush fund is running low...
 
TheNotRealAsh said:
What's wrong with the British?
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They made this show:
thefrogninja said:
When a normal person wants to dismiss a study he'll attempt to dispute the methodology or conclusion, but that takes too much effort (actually reading) for the average Kiwifarms to manage.
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Is this capped supposed to be alluding to his covid conspiracism? "SOYentists created the clotshot!" There are issues in modern science like a reproducibility crisis, but null has no relevant knowledge to comment on anything related to science. Not even computer science.
 
VAIDS Victim said:
I'm not against the doxes but SSNs is too far, all that's going to do is empower pathetic weens like the reddit one who took out an online loan in Daniel Larson's name to commit identity theft. Same with banking info. That shouldn't be out there for anyone.
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leaking someone else's SSN isn't illegal but I'm sure as hell it can get someone in trouble. why he hasn't prohibit people from posting SSNs is beyond me.

VAIDS Victim said:
Not even computer science.
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Josh isn't a computer scientist, he's more like a backend web dev. he even suck at that
 
universe adventurer said:
Josh isn't a computer scientist, he's more like a backend web dev. he even suck at that
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Josh isn't a computer anything. He's one of those people who peaked at "being the family IT support" and then they stay at that level because they've either been mummy's special smart boy for so long that they no longer think they have anything to learn and they become unteachable entry tier computer-toucher drones, literally just there to field the "turn it off and on again" support calls, or they weren't any good to begin with and they never advance.

If I were him, I would be sweating about the future of Kiwi Farms every day. He's firmly in the cohort of people whose jobs can be automated away by an averagely-well prompted LLM-style AI, or a room full of pajeets.
 
VAIDS Victim said:
I'm not against the doxes but SSNs is too far, all that's going to do is empower pathetic weens like the reddit one who took out an online loan in Daniel Larson's name to commit identity theft. Same with banking info. That shouldn't be out there for anyone.
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Overall, from a moralistic "in a better world" mind frame, I am actually against doxing in its entirety, especially from a site than wants to pretend it's just a gossip forum. Very proudly publishing people's IRL contact info doesn't improve the discourse about the subject and is only offered to assist trolling efforts, regardless of the kayfabe Kiwi rules/"culture" against touching the poo.
It's dumb shit like what KF does that actually shrinks American freedom of speech. Push against the walls of the playpen our panopticon has offered, eventually they will break. And when they do inevitably break, the playpen will be built back smaller.
Which fine, ends v. means with something like WikiLeaks then good but KF is ultimately organized by a soyboy who doesn't want to go back to wage slaving while also really "appreciating" the many normalfag normalbucks that flow to him
Disrespect for the paypigs and superchats
 
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broom complains that Effluentes has a hugbox... that will forgive any sex wrongs committed by the short, but not morbidly obese Nick (and/or his orbiters). Grass is always greener, innit.
 
thefrogninja said:
Josh pretends to care about professionalism.
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Why do these guy always pretend to be professionals whenever someone calls them out on their bullshit?

@thefrogninja I finally got around to reading the rest of his Substack article, and I almost can't believe Null was able write this down with a straight face:

At a very basic and fundamental level, the key players in anti-censorship are fractured and isolated from one another. They do not have cohesive goals and frequently allow irrelevant personal issues divide them. At best, their efforts are split and duplicated, and at worst, they are openly hostile to one another.
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I would like to end this article with a call to action. “Here is the problem, here is the solution.” While I would generally encourage intelligent cooperation between Anti-Censorship movements, I have no hope for that. Anti-censorship is inherently individualistic, as those types benefit from freedom the most.

Some cohesion is necessary. The anti-censorship crowd is mostly preoccupied with lining their own pockets. Every anti-censorship startup seems hellbent on being the first person to “solve” the censorship issue, without any cooperation from others, so that they may take in all the “glory”. There is no conservative think-tank doing what the pro-censorship camps do every day: combining intelligence, power, and money. Instead, we each run our own race, and make less progress overall, falling further behind in our endeavors every day, winning only superficial victories with video games and in local jurisdictions, while pro-censorship wins on the big stage and behind the curtains of the international organizations who actually make decisions.

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For those with resources, I emphasize that confederation is required to survive the next decade. There are companies making up the Internet which are toxic and needing to be scraped out, and companies which are principled and needing to be built up. The good is out there, and good people are trying, but they don’t get the attention they need. A serious person with serious aspirations could start a pro-free speech trade organization or coalition, but it needs to be done in earnest and with resources out the gate, and it cannot exclude members and what they would bring to the table simply by the negativity of their Wikipedia article.

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How many of these hostilities amongst pro-free speech ICT companies has Null himself actively fostered? Null has used MATI to discourage people from using other freespeech platforms and to sic them onto people active in that milieu. He sic-ed his stans onto Graf, onto Andrew Torba, @Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt and yes, even onto Rumble for refusing to divest from Path. Indeed, why the fuck would anyone at Rumble ever listen to someone who has a public reputation of milking his wrecked personal association for MATI content?

LMAO, he's literally quoting from his post to Clara Stockings here, where he told her that they were such a matching couple because they're both "cruel and unusual":

I also stress that the Kiwi Farms has been unusually flexible and able to resist deplatforming, in no small part because I as an individual am very unusual. Most people would have the good sense to quit and abandon their projects well before it gets to the point it has with the Kiwi Farms. This is doubly true for websites which must operate cash positive as a successful business, whereas the Kiwi Farms lives off cryptocurrency donations, a privilege unique to dedicated communities with very tech-savvy users.

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As for this part:

They live in penthouse suites outside of San Francisco calously deciding which small, atomized, defenseless component of anti-censorship they will tie up in litigation and defame next.

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Oh look, fat foxy has sour grapes because someone else is living the highrise lifestyle he once imagined for himself:

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"You live in a highrise/Flying first class/Between cities made of glass"...


How are you enjoying your new crypto-bought former crack-den in Western Texas, Null?
 
Imagine being so fucking stupid, Amerimutt public school sub-educated and reactionary that you don't understand why the fuck I would mention Graf in the same list as Kenneth, and Andrew Torba. The point of that listing was to illustrate what an utterly bullshit idea it is of Null to suggest that all these different people, who are into free speech platforms for completely different reasons individually, should get together, somehow find a common ground (literally impossible) and "confederate" (as he calls it in his article, no idea what he means by this specifically) so they can speak as one voice against online censorship. It's Null himself who has ensured that they can't speak as one voice, because Null thinks that only those who are as ideologically far-right as himself should be part of this "far-right EFF" he wants to bring about.

I have pointed out to Null, on this thread amongst others, that one of the communities on the internet that has suffered a lot internet censorship and is hence has the most institutional experience trying to bypass internet censorship is, whether he likes it or not, the online porn community. Is Null willing to allow the porn industry to be part of his "far right EFF"? Of course not, which is highly ironic given the fact Null's own forum is filled to brim with porn - go into any troon thread on KF to see examples of this - but he doesn't see how the same rules that are used to crack down on porn websites can be used to crack down on his forum for hosting the same material.

@thefrogninja have you figured out yet what Null means with this "confederation" he advocates for without explaining what it is?
 
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