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Joshua Moon the owner of Kiwifarms
I don't hate Josh. I appreciate he operates a site that I have enjoyed. It's just that... I shouldn't know who he is, like most people who run sites and forums. I'm there to waste time reading about eccentric people, talk about their wacky situations and have some laughs.

Josh isn't a lolcow. He's a lonely dude that can only get attention online. Like the other 63% of lonely men around his age.
 
Mike Thurlow made mistakes on the forum because he did not have the in-depth knowledge that for example a developer or programmer on Upwork would have. His intentions for the most part were not malicious and yes he did a lot for the forum. I would be less than honest to admit otherwise. But there was a personality clash with other staff as well as personal issues on discord and we came to a conclusion it was best to part ways.
Mike never claimed to be a developer, and a single conversation with him could have given you that much. I don't hold malice towards you but it's enlightening to see the level of manipulation you've experienced. By issues on discord, do you mean how Mike was shielding and trying to be romantically involved with an individual who tried to murder you via swatting?
This was my personal experience with him on the forum. I never got involved with him outside the forum.
It's almost as if was their intention.

I disagree, I think Null has the capacity to do and create so much more than just KF.
KF should've been a stepping stone to other things for Null.
If Null wasn't a retard, he could have gone places like Moot did after 4chan but he continued to rub his reputation in shit because he placed his ego over optics, that is the end of web 2.0 that we are experiencing everywhere. Kiwi is simply collateral, but perhaps it could have lived longer had Josh not pissed so many people off and alienated his allies. He doesn't even have a connection to his living family because he put kiwifarms over everything else and he wants to be a martyr. He wants people to pity him and believe that this is about free speech when he doesn't have a consistent ideology borrowed from /pol/. I understand why he needs to believe this because I would rope myself in his position with zero prospects or hopes of landing a respectable job.
There are people on this forum who have to make Null seem as demonic and evil as possible, so they've made up this bullshit narrative where Null only rejected Chris Chan because he stole money from his mother, not because of the rape, because how could Null not be in support of someone raping their mom? Null is perverse evil personified, so of course he would be totally OK with a motherfucker as long as he can exploit him (according to the alogs who have to demonize Null utterly). People taking the most uncharitable interpretations of everything Null ever does is really fucking tiring.
Except it isn't a-logging or a fabrication of events. This is simply what happened according to Nulls own words and the timeline of events.
 
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Can you elaborate more on this?
It's a little off topic and beyond the scope of this thread but a lot of Null's complaints about Section 230 and bills such as S.1143 are only a fraction of a larger problem regarding centralization and censorship on the internet. Null truly lives in his own world and suffers from anime protagonist syndrome because he believes that all of this is happening because of him, and not because of political and cultural conflicts that go beyond a single community or person.
 
It's a little off topic and beyond the scope of this thread but a lot of Null's complaints about Section 230 and bills such as S.1143 are only a fraction of a larger problem regarding centralization and censorship on the internet. Null truly lives in his own world and suffers from anime protagonist syndrome because he believes that all of this is happening because of him, and not because of political and cultural conflicts that go beyond a single community or person.
Null's got a unique talent for being wrong about absolutely everything, like believing section 230 will outlive him. It's as flawed as an inflatable dartboard! No wonder YouTube and Twitter, with their impeccable taste, decided to ban and deplatform folks for indulging in the fine art of reading fanfic porno stories. Apparently, even fictional characters need privacy these days!
 
if Josh was smart he would have used that video to try and cause a conflict between Ralph and May, Josh could have stole his girl and really fucked over Ralph. imagine Ralph trying to organize a 3some like daddy dick only for his baby mama and his current hoe to both leave at almost the exact same time.

Nik has been divorced twice, has MS, and will be going to jail for unpaid child support in the very near future. he sold off his site because he could't afford the lawsuits pretty much once he got doxxed. the main reason he got doxxed was his first wife getting tired of his shit. you can tell he was a weirdo because his 2nd marriage was just to a user/famewhore he found hot and proposed to hours after irl meeting.

Honestly Null could have an entire harem if he too was willing to hook up with the chicks on the site. May and Elaine look a lot better than lorrenzo lamas' daughter. Plus as we saw from what may put up with when it came to ralph. Josh could have done everything short of beating them and they'd still be around. If Josh really wanted to be fruitful and mulitply he probably could have done it extremely easily. but i'm sure he also knows it doesn't fucking matter if you married someone if it doesn't last. same with kids. as a child raised by a single mom he probably understands more than anyone that not being in your kids life means you might as well not have had them at all.

Admittedly, it's been a long time since I bothered to look into Nik, but I think my point still stands - Josh is on record as saying it's kids or bust, so basically Nik is better at life than him. I do agree, though, on your last point there - if you aren't going to be in your kids' lives, why have 'em? Honestly, it is my belief that people get all of these ridiculous 'big idea' takes on what is wrong with society (jews, "white supremacy", capitalism, etc.) because they're too scared to acknowledge that the reason they are unhappy messes is just that their parents were pointlessly mean to them and screwed with their heads. That's literally it. If your parents were nice to you then you have a foundation of self-esteem and are able to brush things off and enjoy life, rather than subconsciously feeling like someone is going to try to humiliate you for anything you say or do. Bonus points if they raised you in a place with access to a decent community with other kids in it and tried to teach you healthy ways to spend your time, and the evidence for this is pretty clear for anyone who wants to look into it, just go out and talk to people of all different ages about their parents. My grandmother and grandfather both had about the same socio-economic background but my grandfather was raised by kind parents who clearly valued him in spite of sounding like pretty simple working class people and my grandmother was raised by an abusive nutcase of a mother. He is a very happy and likable person, she is a miserable wreck who takes it out on everyone else eighty years later.
 
Actually Kiwifarms holding back the forces of internet censorship. Null and his gaggle of autistic anime pedophiles are manning the final ramparts in the battle for the soul of the West. As soon as Sarg'n tops up his dopamine he'll lead the kekistanis on a flanking action.
Shadilay my frens
It's funny really because Sargin did win 91c8d15949bbb0f0a292b789a062048d5b98f40be9507159d7a940608bbdf67d.png
 
Mike Thurlow made mistakes on the forum because he did not have the in-depth knowledge that for example a developer or programmer on Upwork would have. His intentions for the most part were not malicious and yes he did a lot for the forum. I would be less than honest to admit otherwise. But there was a personality clash with other staff as well as personal issues on discord and we came to a conclusion it was best to part ways.
real mike thurlow here
 
If your parents were nice to you then you have a foundation of self-esteem and are able to brush things off and enjoy life, rather than subconsciously feeling like someone is going to try to humiliate you for anything you say or do. Bonus points if they raised you in a place with access to a decent community with other kids in it and tried to teach you healthy ways to spend your time,
Chris chan literally had all of that and look how he turned out. In fact a big reason boomers whined about ADHD and Tism not being real is because they couldn't square the circle of how someone with an upbringing like you or chris end up being like you and Chris.

Beyond that look at the kennedy family or a lot of other c-suite people. Just because you were raised correct and have a normal or successful life doesn't mean you aren't fucked up. For fucks sake Nick Rekita has basically speed ran going from having the perfect life to Ethan Ralph's.

Plus even if they do treat you nice, they can't fix your genetics. Mike David of redbar openly admits his family was perfect and he had an amazing upbringing yet it couldn't keep him from turning into a sociopath.

Its a tough balance too, people hate pushover parents but i've also seen way too many people who won't allow their parents to see their grandkids mainly as a fuck you to them for being so mean when they were raising them. OTOH if it weren't for that tough love they wouldn't have done well enough to get the wife and house and job too but people are allowed to be irrational when it comes to family.

PPP was a jock with a deep religious background like some generic hero from the cold war. didn't keep him from showing his starfish online, same thing with kelly balthazar. Even having high self-esteem won't help if you dream of something absurd like internet stardom.
 
Behold the Josh cycle:
He gets shit on, and starts crying it's so unfair :(
Someone reaches out, and gives him a place to stay while rebuilding.
He proceeds to schizo-out and stab his allies in the back
He claims: "Maybe you shouldn't post on the internet ;)", this ignores all the times he's shielded his friends from threads.
Repeat.

Is this the type of people that watches Tranny Turkey Tommy boi? A bunch of kids or grown adults that don't know shit about the internet? Null's new girlfriend is pretty sad guys
The type of people that watch Turkey Tom are the type of people that browse Kiwi nowadays, what we used to call moralfags.

At the risk of repeating what someone else said: Josh is a complete retard, and hypocrite.
I ain't here to fucking post hundreds of links and images to prove this, I'm pointing out something I don't see said enough.
Josh, hell his entire forum, is merely shielding their moralfag crusades behind the veil it's all for the lolz, but that's not true and they know that.
If they were serious about it being just for the lolz all they'd have to say is that it's funny to laugh at clowns, but they won't do that because they don't want to be seen as the bad guys. They will do what Turkey Tom does, and be moralfags.

You see them justify themselves: They'll say it's a great tool to protect society, that it "saves" lives, that the only people that have threads are people that "deserve it."
The funniest thing about it is that being a moralfag is that it's like a slippery slope: You say "x is bad," and that eventually leads to the very culture that enables the ilk that is attacking the farms now.
You can't well argue it's very "good" to have a site that openly flaunts the dox of random people they take interest in, especially when you yourself will admit there have times that the farms have posted incorrect information -- especially when you justify your existence as a gossip forum.
Also hard to argue when you realize half the time they interfere they literally force the law to do nothing, fucked up the entire investigations: Bravo, moralfag! You really showed them.

Tom's video makes me laugh though, he actually pulls the "It's not illegal" argument: You know the very same shit he has helped erode.
Honestly: When has that argument ever been okay for a moralfag? I can prove Lol! is usually legal state-wise, and gray federal-wise, but I know the type that claim the farm's an "asset for society" wouldn't care. They would just keep screaming, they do that shit for everything else. They'll beg for daddy government to restrict the bad men on the internet, not realizing it literally gives the people attacking them more power.
And on that note? Fucking Josh? My god, imagine Tom's fanbase when they realize he's defending the dude that literally admitted, in his own words, he made a discussion forum for pedophiles.
And on that note: I was there on 8ch when he got kicked by Fred, his story about it just being cartoon-related is bullshit. There were still boards about lol! at the time, most boards allowed it still at the time, but his board was removed: Really makes you think then.
 
Behold the Josh cycle:
He gets shit on, and starts crying it's so unfair :(
Someone reaches out, and gives him a place to stay while rebuilding.
He proceeds to schizo-out and stab his allies in the back
He claims: "Maybe you shouldn't post on the internet ;)", this ignores all the times he's shielded his friends from threads.
Repeat.


The type of people that watch Turkey Tom are the type of people that browse Kiwi nowadays, what we used to call moralfags.

At the risk of repeating what someone else said: Josh is a complete retard, and hypocrite.
I ain't here to fucking post hundreds of links and images to prove this, I'm pointing out something I don't see said enough.
Josh, hell his entire forum, is merely shielding their moralfag crusades behind the veil it's all for the lolz, but that's not true and they know that.
If they were serious about it being just for the lolz all they'd have to say is that it's funny to laugh at clowns, but they won't do that because they don't want to be seen as the bad guys. They will do what Turkey Tom does, and be moralfags.

You see them justify themselves: They'll say it's a great tool to protect society, that it "saves" lives, that the only people that have threads are people that "deserve it."
The funniest thing about it is that being a moralfag is that it's like a slippery slope: You say "x is bad," and that eventually leads to the very culture that enables the ilk that is attacking the farms now.
You can't well argue it's very "good" to have a site that openly flaunts the dox of random people they take interest in, especially when you yourself will admit there have times that the farms have posted incorrect information -- especially when you justify your existence as a gossip forum.
Also hard to argue when you realize half the time they interfere they literally force the law to do nothing, fucked up the entire investigations: Bravo, moralfag! You really showed them.

Tom's video makes me laugh though, he actually pulls the "It's not illegal" argument: You know the very same shit he has helped erode.
Honestly: When has that argument ever been okay for a moralfag? I can prove Lol! is usually legal state-wise, and gray federal-wise, but I know the type that claim the farm's an "asset for society" wouldn't care. They would just keep screaming, they do that shit for everything else. They'll beg for daddy government to restrict the bad men on the internet, not realizing it literally gives the people attacking them more power.
And on that note? Fucking Josh? My god, imagine Tom's fanbase when they realize he's defending the dude that literally admitted, in his own words, he made a discussion forum for pedophiles.
And on that note: I was there on 8ch when he got kicked by Fred, his story about it just being cartoon-related is bullshit. There were still boards about lol! at the time, most boards allowed it still at the time, but his board was removed: Really makes you think then.
Yo, check it, my peeps! Josh be a laugh-out-loud funny guy, but dang, his website be lookin' sadder than a lost puppy. No amount of butter or glue gonna fix that mess, my dawg! It's like tryna fix a broken ride with bubble gum, ain't gonna happen! Josh needs some serious website gangsta makeover, you feel me? Let's pray for his cyber-soul, 'cause it's in dire need of some major hip-hop vibes. Stay fly, my crew, and keep away from them sad sites, they'll bring down your street cred faster than you can say "gangsta giggles"!
 
AFAIK, he's never mentioned he's ever had a father. He hates his mother (yet depended on her quite a while), he hasn't had any luck with women, he spent his life in a Southern backwater, and the only people who even care to acknowledge he exists solely do so because he lets them say nigger openly.
Wow, you've literally only read the rumours about Null online. I don't blame you, since people love to put out rumours and Null encourages this confusion on the part of the public because it gives him plausible deniability, and he can "Oh, it's just crazy people making up stories about me online."

Null has met his father. In fact, there's a video on Youtube which you can go and watch right now if you want, where Ethan Ralph showed a picture of Null's father.

Null has had girlfriends in the past. He even hinted at having a girlfriend and daughter in Serbia, but we don't know if this is true or part of his trad-LARPing. Now all of a sudden Null claims to be single, but this could be to cover up his alleged GF and daughter.

"he spent his life in a Southern backwater", I am assuming you're referring to Null living in Florida? Null only moved to Florida as a teen or a tween (can't recall out of my head), but he was born and grew up in Maryland (hence his distinct East Coast accent). He was living and working in Portland, Oregon for a year before he moved to Australia. When Null came back to the US from the Philippines he was living in NY. Then he moved to Odesa, Ukraine in 2017, and he moved to Serbia in 2020 right at the beginning of the Covid pandemic. Null hasn't lived in the US since 2016 and claims he hasn't visited the country since Covid, so I don't know why you still think he still lives in the South. I think this confusion on your part is due to all the rumours doing the rounds. I literally came to this site to learn the truth about Null, but unfortunately people prefer to spread rumours over digging up the truth.

"the only people who even care to acknowledge he exists solely do so because he lets them say nigger openly", if you think those of us who were on KF for years were there just to say "nigger", you have no idea about the kinds of people who ended up on KF. I didn't go on KF so I could say "nigger", I got on KF because I ended up on a "Deplorables" blocklist on Twitter, when I've literally never voted Republican in my life. I wanted to know why these blocklists existed, so I began doing my own research and discovered the mechanism by which these lists were populated and by which they could be bypassed/subverted. KF was the only website that had any background information into these lists, so I logged in to share my research in the thread that KF already had on the topic of Twitter blocklists. Again, if you think those of us who are using KF ended up there just to say "nigger", you literally have no idea about the kind of research that's on KF.

I mean, IIRC, didn't he call Caesar a loser for not having kids?

No, he said that about Tesla. I don't have the time to look up the page in this thread where we were discussing this right now.
 
Mike Thurlow made mistakes on the forum because he did not have the in-depth knowledge that for example a developer or programmer on Upwork would have. His intentions for the most part were not malicious and yes he did a lot for the forum. I would be less than honest to admit otherwise. But there was a personality clash with other staff as well as personal issues on discord and we came to a conclusion it was best to part ways.
To be fair to Mike a lot of people on the Discord servers are retarded and were sperging out at him over nothing burgers.
 
Wow, you've literally only read the rumours about Null online.

To be fair, with how he acts online, I'm not too surprised potential disinfo could end up appearing as truth. But, at the very least, I think Latin X and a few others have summed it up quite nicely. As for the 'nigger' thing, it seemed to me that that was all Kiwi Farms was good for anymore, at least these days - that you could say what you want, without being scolded by mods or whatever. You could say the big mean words without getting the boot. You could say things that would rustle the proverbial jimmies. The problem, of course, was that this only incentivized certain folks to ruin it for everyone else - that is, the political types, the chronic A-logs.
 
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aint nobody looking for you homie. :story:

I can assure you that's not just his paranoia speaking. There was this batshit scary fuck on Twitter during #DropKiwiFarms called Kevin Karhan (who was working with Liz Fong-Jones on the GrayHat Academy Github account), who was openly posting on Twitter about having his "contacts" locate Null and having them follow him around "24/7":

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"I have contacts literally surveilling him 24/7. If he had big friends he'd not hide in a shitty small village ~ 50-100km from Belgrad..."

Never underestimate TRAs, they're literally that obsessed with their enemies.
 
Wow, you've literally only read the rumours about Null online. I don't blame you, since people love to put out rumours and Null encourages this confusion on the part of the public because it gives him plausible deniability, and he can "Oh, it's just crazy people making up stories about me online."

Null has met his father. In fact, there's a video on Youtube which you can go and watch right now if you want, where Ethan Ralph showed a picture of Null's father.

Null has had girlfriends in the past. He even hinted at having a girlfriend and daughter in Serbia, but we don't know if this is true or part of his trad-LARPing. Now all of a sudden Null claims to be single, but this could be to cover up his alleged GF and daughter.

"he spent his life in a Southern backwater", I am assuming you're referring to Null living in Florida? Null only moved to Florida as a teen or a tween (can't recall out of my head), but he was born and grew up in Maryland (hence his distinct East Coast accent). He was living and working in Portland, Oregon for a year before he moved to Australia. When Null came back to the US from the Philippines he was living in NY. Then he moved to Odesa, Ukraine in 2017, and he moved to Serbia in 2020 right at the beginning of the Covid pandemic. Null hasn't lived in the US since 2016 and claims he hasn't visited the country since Covid, so I don't know why you still think he still lives in the South. I think this confusion on your part is due to all the rumours doing the rounds. I literally came to this site to learn the truth about Null, but unfortunately people prefer to spread rumours over digging up the truth.

"the only people who even care to acknowledge he exists solely do so because he lets them say nigger openly", if you think those of us who were on KF for years were there just to say "nigger", you have no idea about the kinds of people who ended up on KF. I didn't go on KF so I could say "nigger", I got on KF because I ended up on a "Deplorables" blocklist on Twitter, when I've literally never voted Republican in my life. I wanted to know why these blocklists existed, so I began doing my own research and discovered the mechanism by which these lists were populated and by which they could be bypassed/subverted. KF was the only website that had any background information into these lists, so I logged in to share my research in the thread that KF already had on the topic of Twitter blocklists. Again, if you think those of us who are using KF ended up there just to say "nigger", you literally have no idea about the kind of research that's on KF.



No, he said that about Tesla. I don't have the time to look up the page in this thread where we were discussing this right now.
I believe he was in Florida for part of his childhood as well. But at any rate Pensacola is not a "Southern Backwater". It is part of the Gulf Coast Megaregion.
 
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