Experimental procedures where the overwhelmingly most likely outcome would have not benefited the child in the slightest.
It's a very good thing we have laymen like you to make these decisions on behalf of medical doctors.
Laxatives have "the sole, expressed purpose of treating people" who suffer from constipation, yet when you start vomitting feces, MiraLAX won't cut it as a treatment.
Abysmal analogy. Textbook strawman.
It was, apparently, too late for this treatment, which makes it entirely futile and pointless. That's the whole point I was making.
The treatment would have been
more viable if the court didn't murder the child through bureaucracy by delaying the treatment for months on end.
When the government is absolutely convinced that what the parents are trying to do is gonna make the child suffer without any chance of the child benifitting from it in the slightest.
Suffer? In what regard? Is the crux of the argument not "it's a potato so just let it die"? If it's a potato, how does it suffer? Mentally well children suffer going through chemotherapy, but that is allowed, even if the cancer's survival rate is barely non-zero.
If these people had decided to take their lethaly sick child to get help from some unwashed indian ayurverda master, the reacton would have been the same.
Uh, okay. That doesn't help your argument. "My government treats snake oil and experimental medicine the same." Thank-you for proving my point: your government is autistic.
It's not a family that wants to spend a nice weekend at the californian beaches and being told they can't by the Ministry of Love.
It's 2 parents desperately clinging to the idea that some experimental treatment will magically cure their child despite countless experts telling them that's not an option.
It's about the government telling them that it is not in the child's best interest to be forced to suffer through this.
At what point do you realize how awful this sounds? There is a patient, a doctor has a treatment, the parents have money, and the government is threatening to imprison people over that transaction.
Where does the Government get to
stop exerting this force? What if the Government decides to mandate abortions for this disease? Your logic applies to that equally. If you get scan of your fetus, they see that there is a 99% chance of it being born exactly like Charlie, then what?
If you're going to claim the NHS can't dictate to an expecting mother what to do with her body, then how can they threaten to imprison her for seeking treatment for that child after it's born? The NHS can obviously control people's actions by threat of imprisonment. The sentences "if you take that baby to get treatment, we will imprison you" and "if you give birth to that baby, we will imprison you" are not too distinct are they?
By forbidding this, the government was protecting the child's rights. The individual's rights outrank the authority of the parents.
The child's rights!? Like the right to seek treatment?? The only right being enforced here is the right to die! NHS went full fucking DIGNITAS on a potato and you're jumping up and down cheering that no one had any fucking say in the matter besides the government.
You can stress it as much as you'd like mate, you're fucking wrong.
Last year, we had a thread about some religious nutjobs that let their child die of an appendicitis cause no matter how much they prayed unsuccessfully, they just figured "Eh, let's do it with a bit more fervor in the morning - surely it'll work eventually" until their child died with agonizing pain.
Would you not agree that in such a case, some goverment authority stepping in to take away the kid and give it the propper treatment would have been a good thing?
Your "religious nutjobs" are not doctors with fucking degrees in medicine bro.
You are entirely locked on how bad the UK is for not allowing this kid to get a treatment in the US while entirely disregarding how futile it apparently would have been in the first place.
Because that's the
only fucking thing that matters. You are completely oblivious to the broader implications in the fucking medical organ of government being able to dictate to its people that they can't even leave the country to pay for medicine.
If you can't see that you never will and you have no argument to offer. I understand fully your points and I don't care. Everything is trumped by the issue of government hostage taking.
