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United States News and Drama An Idea Whose Time Should Never Come: Using Special Forces Against the Cartels Would Be a Colossal Mistake

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November 12, 2024 4:58PM
By Brandan P. Buck
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A perennial yet fanciful idea, the notion of sending US Special Forces into Mexico, has once again entered American political discourse. This latest flowering of foolishness emanated from President-elect Donald Trump’s future “Border Czar” Tom Homan, who, in a recent appearance on Fox News, declared that the incoming president “will use [the] full might of the United States Special Operations” to eliminate Mexico’s drug cartels.

While this idea is not new in Republican circles, it has become hazardous now given the Mexican drug cartels’ increased military capacity and tactical competence. Directing American Special Operations Forces against the cartels would put them up against a sizable near-peer competitor in asymmetric warfare, thus putting the US government into a position of little escalatory advantage. Such a move would not just force the American military into another quagmire; it would drop them into a morass up to their metaphorical waist.

These recent calls for the use of Special Operations Forces against the Mexican drug cartels ignore that the latter has developed capabilities perilously close to the former. Video evidence and Mexican officials have long revealed that the various cartels, particularly Los Zetas, the Sinaloa Cartel, and Jalisco Cartel New Generation (CJNG), possess the force-multiplying equipment of a formidable asymmetric military force. Examples include the possession of armored vehicles, the use of armed Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV) and Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), man-portable heavy weapons systems, as well as the possession of surface-to-air missiles and numerous crew-served weapons.

Beyond equipment, the cartels, chiefly CJNG, have benefited from extensive tactical training, knowledge passed to them from Mexican military defectors, ironically enough, who were trained by US Special Operations forces.

Putting legalities and congressional consideration aside for a moment, sending US Special Operations into a direct confrontation with the Mexican cartels would pit them against a near-peer competitor, who, like the Taliban, would likely enjoy the direct or tacit support of the local populace and the luxury of hiding in punishing terrain.

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Furthermore, as seen in more significant conflicts, such as Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the Middle East, man-portable weapons systems and armed UAVs favor those who hold territory, thereby leveling the scales between otherwise mismatched military forces. Given these constraints, in such a scenario American special operators would find themselves involved in an asymmetric war where combat parity would be all but guaranteed, thereby tempting the US government to escalate further.

In recent months, supporters of this idea have cited the US government’s near destruction of ISIS as proof of concept; however, making a model of the campaign against ISIS is a mistake. The issue at hand is not the combat prowess of the American military; it is the realities of government power and who wields the monopoly of coercion. In Syria and Iraq, the Assad regime, the Iraqi government, and their Iranian militia allies, all of whom share an opposition to ISIS, continue to wage their own campaigns against the group. These conditions do not apply to the situation in Mexico as the cartels are parastate actors that operate within the pockets of Mexico which lay beyond the authority of the central government.

If the US government uses its military power against cartel leadership, what guarantee will there be that their networks won’t regenerate as fast as they can be degraded? Furthermore, if even targeted strikes succeed over the long haul, who fills the power vacuums left in their wake? If the central Mexican state cannot do so, then the US will find itself in a situation different from the campaign against ISIS but more akin to Afghanistan, where they played whack-a-mole against the organization’s leadership and were unable to rectify the governing vacuum that sustained the group overall.

The further militarization of the drug war may score some political points, but it will not address the underlying causes of Mexico’s governance problem or stem the flow of drugs across the US southern border.

There is no doubt that the Mexican drug cartels are dangerous and depraved organizations whose command of the drug trade and other illicit activities has caused immeasurable suffering to the people of Mexico that is spilling over the border and into the United States. However, the solution to such issues cannot bear the risk of creating new sets of problems that would threaten further intervention.


 
Mexican drug cartels’ increased military capacity and tactical competence.


Having a military capacity is only as good as the military you got the training from. And I understand that they use ruthless tactics and have unlimited money and can hide among regular people.

But ask the Iraqis how that worked out for them.

And ask Al-Qaeda how that worked out for them.

Better yet go ask isis how that worked out for them.

We could send the lame ass Army made up of trannys, faggots and morbidly obese kids we have now and they could plant a flag in Mexico City within a week. You're telling me special forces guys that are between 35 and 45 who've been doing this for like 20 years can't take out Pedro reading a latina donkey porn mag sitting near a 50 cal?

GETDEFUGGOUDDAHERE.

How the Jewish women who control the media think special forces going against the cartels will look like:


What the special forces going up against the cartels would ACTUALLY look like:

 

Having a military capacity is only as good as the military you got the training from. And I understand that they use ruthless tactics and have unlimited money and can hide among regular people.

But ask the Iraqis how that worked out for them.

And ask Al-Qaeda how that worked out for them.

Better yet go ask isis how that worked out for them.

We could send the lame ass Army made up of trannys, faggots and morbidly obese kids we have now and they could plant a flag in Mexico City within a week. You're telling me special forces guys that are between 35 and 45 who've been doing this for like 20 years can't take out Pedro reading a latina donkey porn mag sitting near a 50 cal?

GETDEFUGGOUDDAHERE.

How the Jewish women who control the media think special forces going against the cartels will look like:


What the special forces going up against the cartels would ACTUALLY look like:

I think they're talking about escalation as well as insurgency. Mexican drug cartels are better organized and funded than you give them credit for, and they have aid from foreign nations. Yes, the U.S. military could probably curb-stomp them and kick them around like an autistic puppy. However, it's going to be a long, ugly kind of war, and it's not going to be a domestically popular kind of war with a lot of pushback from all sides.
 
I think they're talking about escalation as well as insurgency. Mexican drug cartels are better organized and funded than you give them credit for, and they have aid from foreign nations. Yes, the U.S. military could probably curb-stomp them and kick them around like an autistic puppy. However, it's going to be a long, ugly kind of war, and it's not going to be a domestically popular kind of war with a lot of pushback from all sides.

No it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as the middle east. And let me tell you why: first hand experience, those motherfuckers are scary as hell. Because every single one of them are TRUE BELIEVERS. They know, not THINK, they know that if they die trying to kill you in the name of Allah, they will be granted entry into eternal paradise.

Do you think Rico Sanchez is going to put on a suicide vest? Again I say: GETDEFUGGOUDDAHERE.

You're talking about two very different kinds of animals my friend. One is an entire country who spends the majority of their day worshiping god, and their holy book commands them to kill any kind of invader. A mother would gladly put a grenade in her baby's diaper if she thought there was a chance that she could get you to hold it.

These beaners are motivated by one thing and one thing only: money. You start fucking up their income, and they can't pay their guys at the bottom. If they don't have guys at the bottom, they have nothing. Do you think these tortilla flingers in a third world country who can't even fucking READ are going to bang it out until the end with ak-47s against the US fucking military?

Let me run down the list real quick of advantages we have that we didn't have in the middle east:

- less motivated enemy
- experience in the climate
- experience with insurgents
- home field advantage (we can literally set up shop right at the border and they wouldn't be able to do anything about it)
- a lot of us can already speak their language
- an entire network of people willing to inform
And most importantly:
- we don't have to win. we just have to cripple them, that's the only goal. If we can sew up the border and fuck them up pretty good by taking out the leadership or even the middle men, that's a one two combination that's going to stop 95% of their shenanigans getting over our border for decades.

Imagine the memes

"I raped Rosita and all I got was this lousy T-shirt" 😂
 
No it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as the middle east. And let me tell you why: first hand experience, those motherfuckers are scary as hell. Because every single one of them are TRUE BELIEVERS. They know, not THINK, they know that if they die trying to kill you in the name of Allah, they will be granted entry into eternal paradise.

Do you think Rico Sanchez is going to put on a suicide vest? Again I say: GETDEFUGGOUDDAHERE.

You're talking about two very different kinds of animals my friend. One is an entire country who spends the majority of their day worshiping god, and their holy book commands them to kill any kind of invader. A mother would gladly put a grenade in her baby's diaper if she thought there was a chance that she could get you to hold it.

These beaners are motivated by one thing and one thing only: money. You start fucking up their income, and they can't pay their guys at the bottom. If they don't have guys at the bottom, they have nothing. Do you think these tortilla flingers in a third world country who can't even fucking READ are going to bang it out until the end with ak-47s against the US fucking military?

Let me run down the list real quick of advantages we have that we didn't have in the middle east:

- less motivated enemy
- experience in the climate
- experience with insurgents
- home field advantage (we can literally set up shop right at the border and they wouldn't be able to do anything about it)
- a lot of us can already speak their language
- an entire network of people willing to inform
And most importantly:
- we don't have to win. we just have to cripple them, that's the only goal. If we can sew up the border and fuck them up pretty good by taking out the leadership or even the middle men, that's a one two combination that's going to stop 95% of their shenanigans getting over our border for decades.



"I raped Rosita and all I got was this lousy T-shirt" 😂
I mean the USA can always put laxatives in their coke.

Thus forcing them to drink the water which in turn would give them every disease known to man.
 
No it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as the middle east. And let me tell you why: first hand experience, those motherfuckers are scary as hell. Because every single one of them are TRUE BELIEVERS. They know, not THINK, they know that if they die trying to kill you in the name of Allah, they will be granted entry into eternal paradise.
I don't need to reminded of the religion of peace and tolerance and it's practitioners.
Keep in mind everyone worship a god
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One component entails the rise of the cartel and gang narcocultura (drug culture) variant of the Cult of Santa Muerte (literally translated as “Holy Death”).2 This variant of the cult promotes greater levels of criminality than the more mainstream and older forms of Santa Muerte worship. Sometimes it can be so extreme that it condones morally corrupt behaviors—what many people would consider as resulting from an evil value system that rewards personal gain above all else, promoting the intentional pain and suffering of others, and, even, viewing killing as a pleasurable activity

https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/featured-articles/santa-muerte-inspired-and-ritualistic-killings
Do you think Rico Sanchez is going to put on a suicide vest? Again I say: GETDEFUGGOUDDAHERE.
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You're talking about two very different kinds of animals my friend. One is an entire country who spends the majority of their day worshiping god, and their holy book commands them to kill any kind of invader. A mother would gladly put a grenade in her baby's diaper if she thought there was a chance that she could get you to hold it.
See above citations.
These beaners are motivated by one thing and one thing only: money. You start fucking up their income, and they can't pay their guys at the bottom. If they don't have guys at the bottom, they have nothing. Do you think these tortilla flingers in a third world country who can't even fucking READ are going to bang it out until the end with ak-47s against the US fucking military?
I mean it's not like we trained them or anything

United States Army School of the Americas:
Background and Congressional Concerns
Richard F. Grimmett
Specialist in National Defense
Mark P. Sullivan
Specialist in Latin American Affairs
Foreign Affairs and National Defense Division
https://irp.fas.org/crs/soa.htm
Let me run down the list real quick of advantages we have that we didn't have in the middle east:

- less motivated enemy
- experience in the climate
- experience with insurgents
- home field advantage (we can literally set up shop right at the border and they wouldn't be able to do anything about it)
- a lot of us can already speak their language
- an entire network of people willing to inform
And most importantly:
- we don't have to win. we just have to cripple them, that's the only goal. If we can sew up the border and fuck them up pretty good by taking out the leadership or even the middle men, that's a one two combination that's going to stop 95% of their shenanigans getting over our border for decades.
I mean I'm all for Vietnam 2.0 Taco boogaloo. However it's a vast territory with insurgency warfare. And it's not like they don't have bases already set up here so they have a home field advantage. This is going to be like a civil war and an insurgency.
"I raped Rosita and all I got was this lousy T-shirt" 😂
Lewd
 
Blackpill shit

Again, Vietnam and Iraq and everywhere else had hefty goals. The only thing that we have to do is FUCK UP A BUSINESS, and we only have to do it long enough to completely secure a border.

Do you understand that we could focus on the Sinola (Spelling might be off) which is the biggest cartel down there and they would literally fucking tear each others faces off fighting for that huge power vacuum?

What do you think they're going to set aside their differences after 60 years of killing each other to fight us? No way Jorge, if we focused on one cartel, made them drop, we could sit back and watch the animals do our job for us.

I forget the name of the movie that I once saw but it was CIA agents that were operating on both sides of the border and they did something really heavy to the cartel. Later the guy calls the girl over and he hands are binoculars and he says look, and you just see the entire border and everything's exploding and there's gunshots because it's everyone else taking advantage of the situation for power.


Stop being a Pollyanna

 
Again, Vietnam and Iraq and everywhere else had hefty goals. The only thing that we have to do is FUCK UP A BUSINESS, and we only have to do it long enough to completely secure a border.
It's more complicated than that Mexico is our neighbor except not only are they our neighbor but they're also married to some of our family members.
It gets complicated. And this is from a societal level. Then there is the logistics of it. It's not going to be as easy as kicking around if you tacos and calling it a day we're talking long-term occupation and operations. You're also forgetting that you have other countries supplying and aiding the narcos.
Do you understand that we could focus on the Sinola (Spelling might be off) which is the biggest cartel down there and they would literally fucking tear each others faces off fighting for that huge power vacuum?
Yeah we could go with the Arab spring strategy and let all chaos ensue. However that could backfire and create unification.
What do you think they're going to set aside their differences after 60 years of killing each other to fight us? No way Jorge, if we focused on one cartel, made them drop, we could sit back and watch the animals do our job for us.
Why yes I do
As they already have begun to do so.
Because you're talking about threatening and organizations that have a hold over all of mexico's businesses and government.
https://flsheriffs.org/blog/entry/mexican-drug-cartels-what-they-mean-to-florida/
I forget the name of the movie that I once saw but it was CIA agents that were operating on both sides of the border and they did something really heavy to the cartel. Later the guy calls the girl over and he hands are binoculars and he says look, and you just see the entire border and everything's exploding and there's gunshots because it's everyone else taking advantage of the situation for power.
I don't know about movies but I do know in real life that logistically speaking this is going to be a fucking nightmare to deal with. The cartels are already in America.
Stop being a Pollyanna

Lame
 
It's more complicated than that

You're making it more complicated.

Mexico is our neighbor except not only are they our neighbor but they're also married to some of our family members.

Deport them too.

It gets complicated. And this is from a societal level. Then there is the logistics of it. It's not going to be as easy as kicking around if you tacos and calling it a day we're talking long-term occupation and operations. You're also forgetting that you have other countries supplying and aiding the narcos.

No no, we don't need to occupy anything. Trust me I've personally been down that road it doesn't work. You think I'm talking about troops on the ground, I'm talking more about precision strikes mixed in with some good old fashioned espionage.

Remember we're not trying to liberate a snake here. All we have to do is cut off its head so that it flops around. Then we can build our glorious Berlin Wall before the head grows back.

Yeah we could go with the Arab spring strategy and let all chaos ensue. However that could backfire and create unification.

Trust me man I've seen it. The sunnis and shiites we're never able to trust each other even when we were the common enemy. Now you're asking somebody from a cartel to buddy up with someone who posted a video on the internet of them painfully and excruciatingly torturing one of their family members? You're more optimistic than I am.

Why yes I do
As they already have begun to do so.
Because you're talking about threatening and organizations that have a hold over all of mexico's businesses and government.
https://flsheriffs.org/blog/entry/mexican-drug-cartels-what-they-mean-to-florida/

Which is why I would say America needs to strongly consider the option of installing their own people into the government. If there's one thing that we're good at, it's using our power money and influence to set up governments that do what they're told.

I don't know about movies but I do know in real life that logistically speaking this is going to be a fucking nightmare to deal with. The cartels are already in America.

No I mean after they were done with the operation they crossed the border back into America and watched all hell break loose. The point was to make them turn on each other, because they are reaping all the benefits without doing any of the work.

I want to say it was called sicario but don't quote me.


 
You're making it more complicated.
The citizens of Mexico are making it difficult.
Deport them too.
So deport everybody who's Mexican? Legal or otherwise?
No no, we don't need to occupy anything. Trust me I've personally been down that road it doesn't work. You think I'm talking about troops on the ground, I'm talking more about precision strikes mixed in with some good old fashioned espionage.
I like how you consider the Mexican drug cartels just basic Street gang bangers. And not a highly trained paramilitary organization with vast amounts of resources. Being funded by our enemies.
Remember we're not trying to liberate a snake here. All we have to do is cut off its head so that it flops around. Then we can build our glorious Berlin Wall before the head grows back.
That's the thing about cartels you kill one the leader and then another one takes that person's place
Trust me man I've seen it. The sunnis and shiites we're never able to trust each other even when we were the common enemy. Now you're asking somebody from a cartel to buddy up with someone who posted a video on the internet of them painfully and excruciatingly torturing one of their family members? You're more optimistic than I am.
You know you know the people in South America and Mexico aren't just cooperating with the cartels because they're scared a lot of them are doing it for political and ethno nationalist reasons.
Which is why I would say America needs to strongly consider the option of installing their own people into the government. If there's one thing that we're good at, it's using our power money and influence to set up governments that do what they're told.
Maxico should have been like Puerto Rico years ago hell after the mexican-american war it should have just been our plantation. It's not like we can trust the Mexicans who have a functioning government.
No I mean after they were done with the operation they crossed the border back into America and watched all hell break loose. The point was to make them turn on each other, because they are reaping all the benefits without doing any of the work.
Bold strategy cotton we'll see how that works out. You act like these South American tacos don't have a grudge against us.
I want to say it was called sicario but don't quote me.
I think I know the movie you're talking about however things don't always work that way.
Sip
 
The citizens of Mexico are making it difficult.

No shit?

So deport everybody who's Mexican? Legal or otherwise?

Did I have to say "concentration camps" for you to understand that that one was meant to be sarcastic?

I like how you consider the Mexican drug cartels just basic Street gang bangers.

The guys at the bottom of the food chain ARE.

And not a highly trained paramilitary organization with vast amounts of resources.

The guys at the top of the food chain ARE NOT.

That's why we fuck with the tippy top. Soldiers tend to be either impotent or power hungry when you kill the commanders.

Being funded by our enemies.

We have more funds.

That's the thing about cartels you kill one the leader and then another one takes that person's place

Peacefully? That's the point I'm making. You just need to cause enough infighting and chaos for us to secure something good.

You know you know the people in South America and Mexico aren't just cooperating with the cartels because they're scared a lot of them are doing it for political and ethno nationalist reasons.

I am well aware of nationalism.

Maxico should have been like Puerto Rico years ago hell after the mexican-american war it should have just been our plantation. It's not like we can trust the Mexicans who have a functioning government.

That's why they need Democracy™️

If their "elected government" worked for us, things would run smoother.

Bold strategy cotton we'll see how that works out. You act like these South American tacos don't have a grudge against us.

So do Saudis but look at the way their royalty blows us. It doesn't matter what the people think about us, what matters is what the people WHO CONTROL THEM think about us.

I think I know the movie you're talking about however things don't always work that way.

I'm not sure if that's the movie but you should watch sicario either way. It's ok. Can't vouch for part 2, I never saw it.


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I don't care about this thread enough to take it seriously. The difference between here and kiwi farms is this site is supposed to be more lenient.

I honestly thought this is just people kicking around scenarios and ideas.

In all honesty this is just like a "yea, but" back and forth conversation that I would be having with someone at a bar.
 
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