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United States News and Drama An Idea Whose Time Should Never Come: Using Special Forces Against the Cartels Would Be a Colossal Mistake

Do trust them taco's to cooperate?
Did I have to say "concentration camps" for you to understand that that one was meant to be sarcastic?
Apparently they are send them Guantanamo Bay..... So not to far off
The guys at the bottom of the food chain ARE.

The guys at the top of the food chain ARE NOT.

That's why we fuck with the tippy top. Soldiers tend to be either impotent or power hungry when you kill the commanders.
Still a Apocalypse now 2 Taco tuesday will make for some good cinema
We have more funds.
True it's still will be wildly unpopular much like Vietnam.
Peacefully? That's the point I'm making. You just need to cause enough infighting and chaos for us to secure something good.
Depends the tacos seem to like war lords it's apocalypto over there
I am well aware of nationalism.
That's why they need Democracy™️

If their "elected government" worked for us, things would run smoother.
We really should have done that in the first place. Like a said like a Puerto Rico type solution.
So do Saudis but look at the way their royalty blows us. It doesn't matter what the people think about us, what matters is what the people WHO CONTROL THEM think about us.
Agreed and they hate us and love China there governments are very Pro belt and road
I'm not sure if that's the movie but you should watch sicario either way. It's ok. Can't vouch for part 2, I never saw it.
Once upon a Time in America is better.
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Do trust them taco's to cooperate?

We have ways of making them cooperate.

Apparently they are send them Guantanamo Bay..... So not to far off

All "bar talk" aside, HOLY SHIT that was CRAZY tonight! I was watching him sign the Laken Riley act and when he said that Guantanamo thing I was like did I just hear him right?

Still a Apocalypse now 2 Taco tuesday will make for some good cinema

Fuck yeah it would

True it's still will be wildly unpopular much like Vietnam.

Vietnam was only unpopular because of how long it lasted and the draft. If we started now we could be done with Mexico by April.

Depends the tacos seem to like war lords it's apocalypto over there

But that's the thing about human nature... Everybody wants to be the guy. So when you kill the guy, there's going to be a lot of infighting to see who's gonna be the next guy.

We really should have done that in the first place. Like a said like a Puerto Rico type solution.

100% agree

Agreed and they hate us and love China there governments are very Pro belt and road

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Once upon a Time in America is better.

Have you ever seen American Me? Great movie.


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November 12, 2024 4:58PM
By Brandan P. Buck
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A perennial yet fanciful idea, the notion of sending US Special Forces into Mexico, has once again entered American political discourse. This latest flowering of foolishness emanated from President-elect Donald Trump’s future “Border Czar” Tom Homan, who, in a recent appearance on Fox News, declared that the incoming president “will use [the] full might of the United States Special Operations” to eliminate Mexico’s drug cartels.

While this idea is not new in Republican circles, it has become hazardous now given the Mexican drug cartels’ increased military capacity and tactical competence. Directing American Special Operations Forces against the cartels would put them up against a sizable near-peer competitor in asymmetric warfare, thus putting the US government into a position of little escalatory advantage. Such a move would not just force the American military into another quagmire; it would drop them into a morass up to their metaphorical waist.

These recent calls for the use of Special Operations Forces against the Mexican drug cartels ignore that the latter has developed capabilities perilously close to the former. Video evidence and Mexican officials have long revealed that the various cartels, particularly Los Zetas, the Sinaloa Cartel, and Jalisco Cartel New Generation (CJNG), possess the force-multiplying equipment of a formidable asymmetric military force. Examples include the possession of armored vehicles, the use of armed Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV) and Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), man-portable heavy weapons systems, as well as the possession of surface-to-air missiles and numerous crew-served weapons.

Beyond equipment, the cartels, chiefly CJNG, have benefited from extensive tactical training, knowledge passed to them from Mexican military defectors, ironically enough, who were trained by US Special Operations forces.

Putting legalities and congressional consideration aside for a moment, sending US Special Operations into a direct confrontation with the Mexican cartels would pit them against a near-peer competitor, who, like the Taliban, would likely enjoy the direct or tacit support of the local populace and the luxury of hiding in punishing terrain.

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Furthermore, as seen in more significant conflicts, such as Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the Middle East, man-portable weapons systems and armed UAVs favor those who hold territory, thereby leveling the scales between otherwise mismatched military forces. Given these constraints, in such a scenario American special operators would find themselves involved in an asymmetric war where combat parity would be all but guaranteed, thereby tempting the US government to escalate further.

In recent months, supporters of this idea have cited the US government’s near destruction of ISIS as proof of concept; however, making a model of the campaign against ISIS is a mistake. The issue at hand is not the combat prowess of the American military; it is the realities of government power and who wields the monopoly of coercion. In Syria and Iraq, the Assad regime, the Iraqi government, and their Iranian militia allies, all of whom share an opposition to ISIS, continue to wage their own campaigns against the group. These conditions do not apply to the situation in Mexico as the cartels are parastate actors that operate within the pockets of Mexico which lay beyond the authority of the central government.

If the US government uses its military power against cartel leadership, what guarantee will there be that their networks won’t regenerate as fast as they can be degraded? Furthermore, if even targeted strikes succeed over the long haul, who fills the power vacuums left in their wake? If the central Mexican state cannot do so, then the US will find itself in a situation different from the campaign against ISIS but more akin to Afghanistan, where they played whack-a-mole against the organization’s leadership and were unable to rectify the governing vacuum that sustained the group overall.

The further militarization of the drug war may score some political points, but it will not address the underlying causes of Mexico’s governance problem or stem the flow of drugs across the US southern border.

There is no doubt that the Mexican drug cartels are dangerous and depraved organizations whose command of the drug trade and other illicit activities has caused immeasurable suffering to the people of Mexico that is spilling over the border and into the United States. However, the solution to such issues cannot bear the risk of creating new sets of problems that would threaten further intervention.


The cartels are already akin to Mehicano independent spec ops groups and operate from the special forces playbook. Militarily, an Afghanistan style invasion would mop the deck at first with an inevitable insurgency, but sending the delta farce or whatever bullshit is gonna be a 50/50 odds of them winning on each mission. The cartel's criminal mercenary groups are much more akin to special forces than an actual military or militia. There is no way this will end well, we're going to end up with atheist decked out taliban as our next door neighbor (yay our own Chechnya!!!) with an unsecurable border. Up until this point the cartels have avoided attacking U.S. citizens for this exact reason and now they'll have nothing to lose. Agent orange truly is trying to demolish this country.

Having a military capacity is only as good as the military you got the training from. And I understand that they use ruthless tactics and have unlimited money and can hide among regular people.

But ask the Iraqis how that worked out for them.

And ask Al-Qaeda how that worked out for them.

Better yet go ask isis how that worked out for them.

We could send the lame ass Army made up of trannys, faggots and morbidly obese kids we have now and they could plant a flag in Mexico City within a week. You're telling me special forces guys that are between 35 and 45 who've been doing this for like 20 years can't take out Pedro reading a latina donkey porn mag sitting near a 50 cal?

GETDEFUGGOUDDAHERE.

How the Jewish women who control the media think special forces going against the cartels will look like:


What the special forces going up against the cartels would ACTUALLY look like:

You need to re-read his post.
home field advantage
This is not an advantage, Vietnam and the middle east insurgents were kept away from America by half a world and an ocean. These guys could be blowing up shit in NYC and DC every day if they get pissed enough. They literally have their own submarine programs.
What do you think they're going to set aside their differences after 60 years of killing each other to fight us?
The Taliban groups all did lol. These guys are too decentralized for decapitation strikes to work.
You're also forgetting that you have other countries supplying and aiding the narcos.
This is a very good point, Mexico is really just an end point for most of the cartel operations. An operation to root them out would have to go all the way to northern Brazil.
 
The cartels are already akin to Mehicano independent spec ops groups and operate from the special forces playbook. Militarily, an Afghanistan style invasion would mop the deck at first with an inevitable insurgency, but sending the delta farce or whatever bullshit is gonna be a 50/50 odds of them winning on each mission.
It's going to be extremely expensive and akin to playing whack-a-mole.
The cartel's criminal mercenary groups are much more akin to special forces than an actual military or militia. There is no way this will end well, we're going to end up with atheist decked out taliban as our next door neighbor (yay our own Chechnya!!!) with an unsecurable border. Up until this point the cartels have avoided attacking U.S. citizens for this exact reason and now they'll have nothing to lose. Agent orange truly is trying to demolish this country.
Exactly, currently they're playing nice with us because they have no reason not to. But if we start kicking the beehive's nest, we're going to get stung by a swarm of them.
You need to re-read his post.
These organizations emerged from the training provided in the 1980s, during the Iran-Contra scandal, when it was revealed that the School of the Americas was training counter-revolutionary insurgent 'freedom fighters'. This of course was a CIA backed operation.
This is not an advantage, Vietnam and the middle east insurgents were kept away from America by half a world and an ocean. These guys could be blowing up shit in NYC and DC every day if they get pissed enough. They literally have their own submarine programs.
The Cartels have operations in all 50 states as far as I know.
And they would absolutely Fubar American infrastructure to the point of being economically detrimental.
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WKRN) – Mexican drug cartels are operating in Tennessee and every other state in the country, according to a report from the DEA.

The DEA’s map of cartel prevalence in every state shows Tennessee ranks in the middle of the pack, which didn’t surprise Jordan Breedlove, a narcotics agent with the 18th Judicial District Drug and Violent Crime Taskforce
The Taliban groups all did lol. These guys are too decentralized for decapitation strikes to work.
It's one of the reasons the Taliban was able to hold their own for so long.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blo...-the-operational-art-of-its-military-victory/
This is a very good point, Mexico is really just an end point for most of the cartel operations. An operation to root them out would have to go all the way to northern Brazil.
As far as Patagonia actually
LAS LAJAS, Argentina - When China built a military-run space station in Argentina's Patagonian region it promised to include a visitors' center to explain the purpose of its powerful 16-story antenna.
The center is now built - behind the 8-foot barbed wire fence that surrounds the entire space station compound. Visits are by appointment only.https://www.reuters.com/article/world/chinas-military-run-space-station-in-argentina-is-a-black-box-idUSKCN1PP0HQ/
https://www.reuters.com/article/wor...on-in-argentina-is-a-black-box-idUSKCN1PP0HQ/
 
Can't we just firebomb all of Mexico until they all die?
>This is a very good point, Mexico is really just an end point for most of the cartel operations. An operation to root them out would have to go all the way to northern Brazil. @HmmmmmYesTheFloorIsFloorHere
Adding onto this, can't we just firebomb all of Mexico and everything else on the way to Northern Brazil?
 
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Can't we just firebomb all of Mexico until they all die?
>This is a very good point, Mexico is really just an end point for most of the cartel operations. An operation to root them out would have to go all the way to northern Brazil. @HmmmmmYesTheFloorIsFloorHere
Adding onto this, can't we just firebomb all of Mexico and everything else on the way to Northern Brazil?
Yes logistically
Geopolitically no
 
Well they're already issuing predator drones to be used

Hell yea 😂

"We have a militarized army, gringo"

"You have outdated shit gear from decades ago. We have unmanned aircraft that can make it rain hell on you before you even realize that you're being fired on, Jorge"
 
Once we rape all of south America we can move to annex Mexico and set up satellite states elsewhere, I hope Canada join the U.S, The U.S needs to stretch from Alaska to Panama
 
Once we rape all of south America we can move to annex Mexico and set up satellite states elsewhere, I hope Canada join the U.S, The U.S needs to stretch from Alaska to Panama

We should literally just go down to South America and rape them. Then sterilize them. Then have our kids rape those children and sterilize them. After a few generations we will breed them into white.

Civilize em good.
 
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