Null 🥝 Joshua Moon Megathread

[Dude-Weed]

@Lunar Magma thank you for providing a summary of last MATI stream!

 

[The Gays From LA]

The Nonnas on LCF were discussing Null's lolsuit against LFJ in their KF thread.

This Nonna(?) insisted that Null should've capitulated to LFJ's demands instead of draining his paypigs' money to sue him:

The worst part is that all it would take is removing like 2 images and that's it kek. 144k a year because the head admin wants to fight with some rich nepo baby tranny instead of giving a fuck about preserving his only legacy to the world. But to the ardent dick suckers this retarded lolsuit is "based and redpilled" so its fine for the sites finances to be drained so long as they don't bend the knee to a tranny.

BTW, it wasn't just 2 images, it was 4 (now apparently 6) whole posts that LFJ wants Null to remove.

One of the armchair lawyer Nonnas posted this comment, claiming LFJ has deliberately set up a legal "trap" for Null to walk into:

He appears to have walked right into a trap, which he knew was a trap and walked into it anyway.
There is some precedent for this in the quasi-lolcow world. Julia Allison, an early influencer, sued a snark blog not for making fun of her for like 10 years straight but when they made a book proposal she wrote public, as well as images they reposted from her Facebook. She argued it was copyright infringement and she had a right to unmask the anonymous people behind the blog, they fought it (and I think GoDaddy was on their side, at least at first) but lost.

https://archive.is/j7GRz#selection-39896.1-39905.463

So I looked up the lolsuit in question, and indeed, the Nonna is misrepresenting what it was. It was about the snarkblog reposting "an 81 page book proposal, which included a 54 page manuscript draft, and 22 photos". I am assuming those photographs were going to go into the book, so they were either part of the book manuscript or meant for the book cover.

Clearly not the same thing as reposting a public LinkedIn glamour shot in the context of an ongoing public discussion about a controversial TRA. You're comparing apples and oranges here, Nonna:

In the DMCA, Congress enabled copyright owners to obtain pre-litigation discovery of alleged infringers (17 USC 512(h)). After sending a takedown notice, the copyright owner can apply for an unmasking subpoena, which the clerk of the court must issue without any discretion or review by a judge. This fast lane is a historical anachronism; it does little to balance the privacy interests of the alleged infringer. Knowing what we know now about the dangers of unmasking subpoenas, I would like to think that Congress would draft 512(h) with more privacy sensitivity today.

512(h) subpoenas rarely produce court opinions because the copyright owners get the subpoena automatically and the services usually automatically comply with the subpoena. This case is unusual because the Doe defendants attempted to quash the subpoena. The court rejects the Doe defendants’ efforts, and it gives us a little more insight about 512(h) along the way.

The copyright owner is Julia Allison Baugher, an author. For unspecified reasons, bloggers reposted some of her works, including an 81 page book proposal, which included a 54 page manuscript draft, and 22 photos. The proposal, manuscript, and 2 photos were previously unpublished and not registered; the other 20 photos were covered by a copyright registration. She sent takedown notices to the blog’s “registrar” (this is the court’s word), GoDaddy, which GoDaddy honored. The bloggers did not submit counternotices. Baugher then submitted a request for a 512(h) subpoena, which the court clerk issued. It’s not clear how the bloggers learned of the subpoena, but they moved to quash it.

Court Orders Unmasking Subpoena of Alleged Infringers–Baugher v. GoDaddy

Court Orders Unmasking Subpoena of Alleged Infringers-Baugher v. GoDaddy - Technology & Marketing Law Blog

In the DMCA, Congress enabled copyright owners to obtain pre-litigation discovery of alleged infringers (17 USC 512(h)). After sending a takedown notice, the copyright owner can apply for an unmasking subpoena, which the clerk of the court must issue without...

blog.ericgoldman.org

IMO (again, I am not lawyer) this other case is more relevant: "If, on the other hand, a plaintiff is using a weak copyright claim to get at you for bad-mouthing the plaintiff, a court may see it for what it is, and deny the requested discovery"

Defendant raised a fair use argument, but the court does not rely on the possibility of non-infringement in resolving the disclosure issue. The court notes that “evidence of copyright infringement does not automatically remove the speech at issue from the scope of the First Amendment.”

The court employs a balancing test where it weighs the harm to plaintiff and defendants. Disclosure of Skywalker’s identity would have a chilling effect on other bloggers, and this weighed heavily in favor of defendants. With respect to harm to the plaintiff from quashing the subpoena, the court finds that AOLF would not suffer a comparable harm. AOLF could proceed in the litigation without knowing Skywalker’s identity—Skywalker had responded to written discovery, and if necessary, AOLF’s counsel could even conduct a deposition via telephone (or alternatively, Skywalker’s identity could be revealed on an attorneys’ eyes only basis). Ultimately, AOLF was unable to make a compelling argument that it needed to discover Skywalker’s identity at this point in the litigation. It raised a weak argument that it needed to find out the revenues generated from Skywalker’s blog but the court notes that this information could be gleaned through other sources, such as Google and Automattic.

his is a nuanced result. The court recognizes that the copyright claim is not particularly strong and there is a good chance, this is the end of the road for Art of Living Foundation. The earlier dismissal of its defamation claim (and accompanying liability for attorney’s fees) is a serious blow, but the court’s rejection of its request to unmask Skywalker deprives AOLF of what it was looking to get out of this lawsuit–early identification of a pseudonymous blogger. On the merits of his copyright claim, Skywalker may win on his claim for fair use or successfully argue that the damages are minimal at best. (See generally, the Righthaven debacle.)

The overall takeaway is that if you as a blogger face a claim for garden-variety copyright infringement, this type of a ruling shouldn’t give you much hope. Courts will readily cite to Sony Music v. Does and order compliance with a subpoena seeking your identification. If, on the other hand, a plaintiff is using a weak copyright claim to get at you for bad-mouthing the plaintiff, a court may see it for what it is, and deny the requested discovery. Of course, this depends on your luck of the draw and requires you to be in front of a thoughtful judge and have good representation.

It also requires that service providers don’t jump the gun when responding to subpoenas seeking identification.

Spiritual Group's Attempt to Unmask Online Critics Goes South-Art of Living Foundation v. Does - Technology & Marketing Law Blog

[Post by Venkat Balasubramani] Art of Living Foundation v. Does, 10-cv-05022-LHK (N.D. Ca.; Nov. 9, 2011) Art of Living Foundation is an organization based in India that is dedicated to teaching the spiritual lessons of “His Holiness Ravi Shankar.” Defendants...

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[The Gays From LA]

Get on it cunts.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2037030160923299865

Look luck asking for new information on Null on a forum where all people ever do is post the same old staledox from his Blockland says.

Granted, there were some surprisingly high effort posts in this thread over the years with more recent information about Null, but AFAICT none of those users are still active, so you're gonna have to find those posts on your own. I suggest you start reading at page 1.

If you're too lazy to do your own research and read through the rest of this thread, or to read any of the other more specific threads about Null, don't expect to be spoonfed by us.

 

[The Gays From LA]

Did you know? Subpoenas are court orders, Josh has complied with subpoenas in the past (even those of foreign governments), and that Josh is only fighting back this time because he doesn't want to have a second loss to LFJ? Remember when Josh claimed he wasn't personally responsible for you getting doxxed and it was your own responsibility to have good opsec? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

Absolutely I remember him saying that, but this is his arch enemy from #DropKiwiFarms so this is different.

BTW, I found this old tweet from LFJ that I still had in my archive from the #DropKiwiFarms era:

This is a little more "personal" for him, you understand...

Speaking of Liz Fong Jones targeting "unrelated third parties", him going after iPostal1 and WyomingAgents.com so that Null wouldn't have a postal address, a phone number or a lawyer for KF, those were such examples of just how far they went at the time.

Naia Okami, one of TRA who broke with #DropKIwiFarms explicitly stated in a Twitter thread that it was because DKF decided to target Null's lawyers: "A coordinated attack to deny somebody legal counsel, regardless of what they are accused of, is absolutely not okay and is a violation of the person's civil rights. Those involved in these activities should be ashamed of themselves. I cannot and will not support activities to deny ANYBODY their inalienable civil rights. This has gone overboard and the people involved in this can be held liable. It isn't a game.". The person indirectly referred to here by Naia Okami was of course LFJ himself, as per the above tweet where LFJ openly gloated over, applauded and encouraged exactly such actions against Null as detailed in his screenshot Telegram post.

 

[Dude-Weed]

Look luck asking for new information on Null on a forum where all people ever do is post the same old staledox from his Blockland says.

Granted, there were some surprisingly high effort posts in this thread over the years with more recent information about Null, but AFAICT none of those users are still active, so you're gonna have to find those posts on your own. I suggest you start reading at page 1.

If you're too lazy to do your own research and read through the rest of this thread, or to read any of the other more specific threads about Null, don't expect to be spoonfed by us.

Just because Josh’s blockkand posts are old does not reduce their illegality. He admitted to watching violent child porn. He also stalked and threatened to kidnap rape and murder a 17 year old. He deserves to be locked up and be jailhouse rocked by niggers.

 

[Lunar Magma]

@Lunar Magma

how many viewers does he typically have live? have you counted that? has he ever accidentally said it?

his numbers don't make sense either, how has he not managed more than $900 in savings with all his superchat and paypig money before january?

I know exactly how, he's a retard that can't budget so he'll splurge on tons of silly bullshit. its crazy how people who are pro-null talk about him having a wife and kids, but the way he talks and what he says about the lighting and making food its obvious he's alone.

which does bring up the next question of how is he going to fuck himself with all this money

Josh keeps a livetracker in the upper left of his streams, which is supposed to add the Kick and Rumble streams together. But I think he streams on Youtube again too. And on X but the X views are not accurate. The livetracker has him at 2000-2200 for most of the stream. The stream peaks at 2700 in the middle of the stream. Then it tapers down to 2000 when he's reading superchats at the end. So I think it's fair to say he's got 2000-2500 viewers.

You better believe it, Josh is crying he "only had 600 dollars in savings" when the truth is this man acts like the typical nigger rich moron. He sees he has money in his bank account and that he can defraud the government, so buys an expensive camera just so he can take feminine pictures of the food he stuffs himself with to feel like a woman (tranny). And how much you want to bet Josh wastes hundreds, if not thousands, on Door Dash every month? He admits to buying all sorts of shit he does not need like an "AI supercomputer", so it is very clear that Josh simply cannot budget worth shit and the only thing stopping him from drowning in credit card debt is his self-preservation to see his bank account getting low and not buying useless shit. Makes me wonder if Josh is a hoarder too like most of these people are?

It also reminds me a bit of Nick Rekieta. Rekieta was also a nigger rich moron with self-diagnosed ODD who famously spent his millions he made from his formerly successful Youtube channel on drugs and trips to Jamaica to get his wife fucked by blacks, but he also blew his money on useless shit exactly like Josh did. I remember Rekieta's thread made fun of him for spending money on an expensive tablet he used exactly once. I hope Josh keeps up his nigger rich lifestyle, because just like Rekieta and coke or DSP and wrestling gacha, lolcows with money have a tendency to do this funniest shit. I hope vanity lawsuits like Josh enjoys are just the tip of the iceberg for being another white trash loser who hit the lottery.

Josh is clearly terrible with budgeting, despite bragging on his streams that his Mom taught him money management skills. Somehow this point eludes his audience, even as he raises Gofundme's over and over, and they never see any return from them. In order to be a Kiwi paypig, you've got to have amnesia. Somehow they can't see that giving their e-daddy, who's terrible with money, $100K-200K, isn't a great idea.

Good luck asking for new information on Null on a forum where all people ever do is post the same old staledox from his Blockland days.

What's old and stale to you, is fresh and exciting for someone new. We have to keep that in mind. We don't need to be gatekeepers that restrict who can criticize Josh. It can be frustrating seeing Josh's ballwashers stay deluded, but people wake up on their own timeframes. The Blocklands stuff is still unknown to the vast majority of his audience that reads KF or watches his streams. And it will always be picked through as it is part of the Josh lore, which runs deep. That is part of the problem. We are hardcore Josh alogs that keep track of him. But most people aren't. His audience are casual fans. They're not gonna be as dedicated as you are. And simply pointing someone to a 1428 page thread and saying "good luck newfag" isn't a ringing endorsement for the person to actually read it. Especially when that thread is full of spergs slapfighting with each other, over and over nonstop, and engaging in their ongoing feuds. I understand your sentiment. But understand that we all provide a little something and contribute to a larger picture. You help me fill in the gaps and I will help you hopefully. That is the nature of a forum. Otherwise, you're just blogposting to yourself.

Granted, there were some surprisingly high effort posts in this thread over the years with more recent information about Null, but AFAICT none of those users are still active, so you're gonna have to find those posts on your own.

What exactly is new for people to examine about Josh? Everything new that he does is picked through pretty thoroughly on this board.

 

[Joshua Conner Moon]

LEGAL UPDATE! LFJ's lawyer has subpoenaed Null to doxx Kiwis. They are demanding the Kiwi user doxx by May:

i predicted this and someone here said fong wouldn't do it

 

[Bear Hammer]

fat

 

[Behatzlacha]

Josh said, "I've been almost financed totally by one guy this entire time", does anyone remember the source?

He has Christian wording on the bottom of his website that is from a verse that advocates love? Am I the only one seeing the irony in that with Kiwifarms.

 

[Obscenity2022]

Granted, there were some surprisingly high effort posts in this thread over the years with more recent information about Null, but AFAICT none of those users are still active, so you're gonna have to find those posts on your own. I suggest you start reading at page 1.

honestly Null is like the quartering or a lot of other e-celebs where they put out so much content that no one documents that is full of embarrassing information. @Lunar Magma shows how much of a lolcow Josh is every fucking episode of MATI

just like The Quartering you could easily go "RETARD ALERT" at least once an episode of MATI.

 

[Kiwi Pot Pie]

This one is new to me.

It wasn't that long ago when some retards on the Internet said that if you're a man that's attracted to tomboys then you must be gay. The problem is that the tomboy atheistic existed since the dawn of humanity and men being attracted to women like this often didn't shown to have any sexual attraction towards men in the end. The the retards on the Internet that preached this were rightfully memed on because the 'Tomboy to Gay' pipeline simply doesn't exist.

But being attracted to tomboys makes you a pedophile? This one is new to me and I have no clue on what the thought process for this is. I've heard a lot of stupid shit on what could make someone a pedophile (from stupid like like how a guy in his 40's dating a women in their 20's somehow makes someone a pedophile to playing video games somehow must make someone a pedophile). Being attracted to tomboys somehow makes someone a pedophile I find to be more bizarre than the laughable notion on how a heterosexual man being attracted to tomboys must make them gay somehow though some bizarre mental gymnastics.

Josh's argument (as he said on his account and the Lidl Drip account) is that "tomboy" inherently refers to a woman under 18, therefore saying you like tomboys is like saying you like children. He also tipped his fedora and more or less said it was a fantasy for sexist male pigs or whatever tumblr feminist babble he was on that day.

Or something retarded like that, I was about done with the site anyway when I saw that post so my tolerance for Josh's retardation was growing thin and I was just there for lolcows and using the site as a news aggregator (which was also getting frustrating because of the incessant Trump worship). Josh hates tomboys because as I know now, it used to be something he himself enjoyed but now has to forsake in his quest to be the Simp King of the Capital-I Internet. The women in Josh's audience hate tomboys because they are crusty 30+ obese cat ladies and are filled with jealous anger at the idea of a fit young woman. They are literally just Tumblr feminists who love all the ugly women they put in video games now, if those Tumblr feminists hated trannies. Those are Josh's women he simps for every day and who he prays every night will reward him with pussy.